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4 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

In Lincoln it's catalytic converter theft. Or copper theft. Or construction equipment theft.

 

Highly organized crime exists everywhere. Not all of it gets politicized.

yeah I guess they just slide under the car and saw it off, done in a few seconds and they are gone.

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3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

f the claim involves the decriminalization of shoplifting, it's certainly worth looking into, although the New York Post certainly isn't going to go to the trouble. 

from the Post
 

San Fran shoplifters have been emboldened by a referendum that lowered the penalty for stealing goods worth less than $950 from a felony to a misdemeanor, cops and prosecutors have said.

A spokesperson for the company confirmed the latest closures to SFGate.

“Organized retail crime continues to be a challenge facing retailers across San Francisco, and we are not immune to that,” Walgreens spokesperson Phil Caruso told the outlet. 

“Retail theft across our San Francisco stores has continued to increase in the past few months to five times our chain average. During this time to help combat this issue, we increased our investments in security measures in stores across the city to 46 times our chain average in an effort to provide a safe environment.”

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10 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

from the Post
 

San Fran shoplifters have been emboldened by a referendum that lowered the penalty for stealing goods worth less than $950 from a felony to a misdemeanor, cops and prosecutors have said.

A spokesperson for the company confirmed the latest closures to SFGate.

“Organized retail crime continues to be a challenge facing retailers across San Francisco, and we are not immune to that,” Walgreens spokesperson Phil Caruso told the outlet. 

“Retail theft across our San Francisco stores has continued to increase in the past few months to five times our chain average. During this time to help combat this issue, we increased our investments in security measures in stores across the city to 46 times our chain average in an effort to provide a safe environment.”

The Post is suggesting that the referendum emboldened criminals without the data to back that up. Walgreens is saying theft increased after the referendum, but from what to what? It's 5 times their national average now but what was it before?

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This reminds me of when I lived in Des Moines years ago. 
 

there was an area that had a bad run of pizza delivery drivers getting robbed. The pizza places announced they would no longer deliver into those areas. They were accused of being racist. 
 

No, they just made a wide decision not to put their drivers in danger. 

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38 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Not as high obviously.  But hey, anything to make excuses for the terrible policy i guess

I;m not making excuses, but unlike you I don't assume the policy is terrible without evidence. Let's see the evidence and then decide whether the policy was a mistake and what should be done instead.

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Just now, Archy1221 said:

 the increase in theft crime isn’t evidence? 

It's evidence, but it depends on the numbers and the context to draw any conclusions from it. For example, what if the amount lost went from $1000 to $1001? Or $1000 to $1,000,000? That's very, very different.

 

Or what if the trend in the data has been a 2% increase year over year and the amount of increase after the policy is the same as it was before? Then it's evidence that the policy had little to no effect.

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

 the increase in theft crime isn’t evidence? 

 

Sure it's evidence. And the decriminalization policy, mostly designed to alleviate an overloaded criminal justice system, might be behind it. But there are a lot of factors in play. The problems plaguing traditionally liberal cities right now are certainly open to discussion. Also, cities are cities. 

 

The  violent crime rate in Dallas is comparable to San Francisco, and it''s 20 points better than SF on property crime. Overall crime rate in Dallas is significantly worse than New York City. 

 

I live in the Bay Area and the ongoing problem is the sophistication of organized "petty" theft. Car break-ins have been epidemic, skillfully targeting tourist cars at tourist locations. A recent police crackdown appears to have helped, and the shift to mass shoplifting during the pandemic may contribute as much or more than any policy change, as organized crime isn't traditionally thwarted by legal consequences. 

 

Is there fallout when a city declares itself soft on law and order? Probably. But it's not like the old system was a beacon of safety and justice. 

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On 10/5/2021 at 2:37 PM, BigRedBuster said:

And, this is a response to parents actually threatening school board members.

"Four out of the eight members of the U.S Commission on Civil Rights have penned a letter to U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland, chastising him for his recent memo regarding parents who protest school boards.

"We write to express our concerns regarding a recent memorandum issued by your office," the four members wrote in the letter, questioning Garland's motive for issuing the memo which instructed the FBI to take the lead on a task force to address threats against school officials, including creating a centralized way to report such threats...."

 

Edit with link:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-commission-members-on-civil-rights-pen-letter-blasting-garlands-memo-on-parents-protesting-school-boards

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On 10/15/2021 at 8:26 AM, Archy1221 said:

 the increase in theft crime isn’t evidence? 

 

Interesting developments. 

 

Now the SFPD says it can't corroborate Walgreen's shoplifting claims, the chain promised shareholders that it would close 600+ stores back in 2017, its recent expansion in San Francisco was poorly strategized, and at least two of the five closures were already poorly performing stores in high pedestrian neighborhoods that took the pandemic harder than most. Maybe Walgreen's corporate in Illinois decided to let SF take the heat for their own mistakes and inevitable closures. 

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40 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Interesting developments. 

 

Now the SFPD says it can't corroborate Walgreen's shoplifting claims, the chain promised shareholders that it would close 600+ stores back in 2017, its recent expansion in San Francisco was poorly strategized, and at least two of the five closures were already poorly performing stores in high pedestrian neighborhoods that took the pandemic harder than most. Maybe Walgreen's corporate in Illinois decided to let SF take the heat for their own mistakes and inevitable closures. 

it could definitely be a possibility.   It could also be a crime situation as the chain claims.  

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