Trump's Post Election Fallout: Legal & Obstruction actions

[Scarlet]

 

This is all the spin they have left?  Declassify top secret, SCI, ORCON docs and show the world?  Oh and the hostages have been rescued let's make for besties now.  Group hug and forget it all.  No harm.  

[funhusker]

4 hours ago, ZRod said:

They don't like his character but they agree with his politics, or so I've been told by those people.

Liz Cheney also REALLY loved his politics.

 

Its such a mystery why they turned in her…

[Goal-line]

Here is the law.  Read it carefully.  Trump is guilty as hell. He needs to be prosecuted and convicted.  

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

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(a)Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or(b)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or(c)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(g)If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.(h)(1)Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.(2)The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.(3)The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—(A)property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;(B)any seizure or disposition of such property; and(C)any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,

if not inconsistent with this subsection.

(4)Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

[mrandyk]

14 minutes ago, Goal-line said:

Here is the law.  Read it carefully.  Trump is guilty as hell. He needs to be prosecuted and convicted.  

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

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• Notes

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(a)Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or(b)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or(c)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or(d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or

(f)

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(g)If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.(h)(1)Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.(2)The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.(3)The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—(A)property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;(B)any seizure or disposition of such property; and(C)any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,

if not inconsistent with this subsection.

(4)Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

Sure, but there is no law against nominating a convicted felon for president. Take that, libs!

[ZRod]

12 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Somewhere, someone posted a list of best to worst Presidents.  I'm here to declare the list wrong.  It had hom close to the bottom.

 

He is flat out, no questions asked...at the bottom.  There is no American President in the history of the world that is worse the Donald J Trump.

I don't know... Hoover could be pretty down there, and Jackson did some horrible things but purely on character/idiocy Trump has to be the worst.

8 hours ago, funhusker said:

Liz Cheney also REALLY loved his politics.

 

Its such a mystery why they turned in her…

At some point character has to count for something, right?

[funhusker]

5 hours ago, ZRod said:

I don't know... Hoover could be pretty down there, and Jackson did some horrible things but purely on character/idiocy Trump has to be the worst.

At some point character has to count for something, right?

Let's be clear with everyone here.

 

Trump had no "politics".

 

He supported and signed whatever the GOP brass told him to.  That's why Cheney and Kizinger voted along side him so often.

 

What Trump was/is, is a poisonous persona that attracted the worst in America.  There are many great conservatives.  There are also a lot of s#!tty people (sorry I didn't want to offend by saying "deplorable") that will vote for conservative politicians if they feel they will support their s#!tty beliefs.

 

Now, the GOP has given those s#!tty folks power within the party.  And they either have to stand up against, or deal with the backlash from what is hopefully a larger electorate.

 

This isn't a complicated situtation.

 

If you support a GOP that continues to give power to s#!tty people, you are hurting America.  We want/need a responsible and thoughtful government.  Electing folks like Herschel Walker just because he promises to do what Mitch McConnell says is anti-american.  Why should a Senator (that many pro-Trumpers hate) from Kentucky tell a senator for Georgia what to vote for?

 

Until GOP voters choose to distance themselves from this s#!t show, we are stuck with it.  And I don't see the America we love lasting much more than a generation if that's the case.  Our system of govt is what makes America great, at least as written in the Constitution.  Not apple pie, Jesus, or football...

 

America has really great people, and also really bad people.  Choose to support the good!

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, funhusker said:

Electing folks like Herschel Walker just because he promises to do what Mitch McConnell says is anti-american.  Why should a Senator (that many pro-Trumpers hate) from Kentucky tell a senator for Georgia what to vote for?

As opposed to electing Warnock that promises to do what Schumer tells him to do? 

[funhusker]

3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

As opposed to electing Warnock that promises to do what Schumer tells him to do? 

Are you actually trying to equate the intelligence of Warnock and Walker??????

 

Seriously????

 

Apparently my post was directed at you!

[funhusker]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

As opposed to electing Warnock that promises to do what Schumer tells him to do? 

A good response might be:

 

Georgia needs a coherent GOP candidate that can actually "talk" in a debate.

 

At least at the first level.

 

give me a f#&%ing break!

[Archy1221]

2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Are you actually trying to equate the intelligence of Warnock and Walker??????

Yes, neither are very bright.  So in a binary choice, I choose the one who will vote for better policies.  

[funhusker]

Life would be so f#&%ing easy if my standards were so low...

[funhusker]

@Archy1221, so you good with Mitch McConnell running the senate?

 

I thought you were in the party of all those pesky "career conservatives" needing replaced?

 

Do you realize how cartoonish you are?

 

 

And @Archy1221 is a smart one.

 

We are so f#&%ed!!!!

[Archy1221]

4 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Life would be so f#&%ing easy if my standards were so low...

You have already decided Warnock should be the GA Senator so that standards argument doesn’t really hold water.  We should agree that neither candidate is the brightest bulb and in a perfect world neither should be in the Senate.  But at the present time, one of them will be. I’d rather it be someone aligned with McConnell then that dips#!t Schumer.  

[Archy1221]

3 minutes ago, funhusker said:

@Archy1221, so you good with Mitch McConnell running the senate?

 

I thought you were in the party of all those pesky "career conservatives" needing replaced?

 

Do you realize how cartoonish you are?

I really don’t quite understand why you all resort to personal attacks when we’re having a decent discussion on the direction of the Senate.

 

Yes, I’m fine with McConnell running the Senate.  Why in the world is that cartoonish? 

[funhusker]

Just now, Archy1221 said:

You have already decided Warnock should be the GA Senator so that standards argument doesn’t really hold water.  We should agree that neither candidate is the brightest bulb and in a perfect world neither should be in the Senate.  But at the present time, one of them will be. I’d rather it be someone aligned with McConnell then that dips#!t Schumer.  

Okay, so you are equating the intelligence.  Witch isn't true to any person with the presence of at 4/5 senses.

 

And also, you do like the "politics" of Cheney (assuming since she voted with McConnel like 100% of the time)

 

Do you realize that you are confirming the idea of you as a "cartoon"????