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7 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

That’s a lame narrative your eating up about our fans. Any history rich program has fans with high expectations. Michigan, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, LSU. They all swap coaches at the first sign of trouble too. But I don’t hear anyone saying they are fickle. It gets chalked up to those SChools have a strong desire to excel 

 

I didn't say we were the only fickle fan base.

 

Michigan and LSU are right up there with us, USC, probably a few others. I have heard many sports journalists sarcastically refer to the fickleness of those fan bases -- particularly Michigan. 

 

Having said that, regardless of what you or I think, it is the perception, is it not?

 

I take your point about high expectations. I have high expectations and we are no where near meeting those right now. However, with the finances and the perception, we need to take a beat and let Scott do his thing for a while. Because our options would be extremely limited. The only schools trying to hire their 3rd coach in the span of 6 years should be in the MAC. (i.e. stepping stone programs)

 

 

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Enough of this s#!t.  If this is the best you have to offer, go crawl back under your bridge.

Some fans are such f#&%ing idiots. Every time we lose we get one of these Mensa posts to fire everybody. It’s like they’ve had their head buried in the sand for the last 20 years. SMFH

I mean you can see that the team plays way better than they have the last few years. Literally every play maker is a freshman or sophomore

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12 minutes ago, Husker_Code_Warrior said:

The only schools trying to hire their 3rd coach in the span of 6 years should be in the MAC. (i.e. stepping stone programs)

I want to make this point in regards to CFB as a whole, because I don’t think Frost should be fired after this year. Continuity for the sake of continuity is dumb. Stoops was Oklahoma’s 3rd hire in 6 years. Saban was Bama’s 3rd hire in 6 years. I don’t think you’ll find many of those fans wising Shula and Blake got more time for the sake of continuity.

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5 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

I want to make this point in regards to CFB as a whole, because I don’t think Frost should be fired after this year. Continuity for the sake of continuity is dumb. Stoops was Oklahoma’s 3rd hire in 6 years. Saban was Bama’s 3rd hire in 6 years. I don’t think you’ll find many of those fans wising Shula and Blake got more time for the sake of continuity.

 

I am not saying we should do this for continuity. I am saying we should do this because Nick Saban ain't walking through that door and it is quite possible we have the right guy but need to work through some issues a bit longer. 

 

I would also point out that Mike Shula and Mike Price were also the 3rd and 4th coaches they hired in a 6 yr span just before Saban. 

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1 hour ago, Husker_Code_Warrior said:

 

I am not sure we have any more shots at this point in time. The financials of any move are a non-starter. We are still in the middle of a $100 million hit -- RIFs and salary reductions. No way are we going to self-impose a bigger hit at this time -- and the effects are going to take years to overcome. 

 

 

We probably have no shot at landing a big time coach anytime in the next few years anyway and the money thing makes it even more unrealistic. Let the Frost era fester on for another 2-3 years, but be working in a slam dunk plan after that like right now .

 

I Don't see stoops coming back to the college ranks until Drake is done at OU and I doubt URBs goes to another big 10 team. Those 2 always stick in my mind because they seem like the only ones capable of the type of turn around we need. 

 

In my opinion, we need to get the hell out of the big 10. Go back to the big 12 where we belong. Close to the fan base, our recruiting wheelhouse and just for the friggin fact we don't belong in the big 10. We tried this little experiment when it looked like the big 12 was gonna fold and it's blown up in our faces, we gambled and lost...sh#t happens. It would be nice to go to an away game that was 3-4 hours away, not 12-24 driving (maybe a bit off topic but just another contributing factor to our failures) 

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19 minutes ago, KC Sker said:

We probably have no shot at landing a big time coach anytime in the next few years anyway and the money thing makes it even more unrealistic. Let the Frost era fester on for another 2-3 years, but be working in a slam dunk plan after that like right now .

 

I Don't see stoops coming back to the college ranks until Drake is done at OU and I doubt URBs goes to another big 10 team. Those 2 always stick in my mind because they seem like the only ones capable of the type of turn around we need. 

 

In my opinion, we need to get the hell out of the big 10. Go back to the big 12 where we belong. Close to the fan base, our recruiting wheelhouse and just for the friggin fact we don't belong in the big 10. We tried this little experiment when it looked like the big 12 was gonna fold and it's blown up in our faces, we gambled and lost...sh#t happens. It would be nice to go to an away game that was 3-4 hours away, not 12-24 driving (maybe a bit off topic but just another contributing factor to our failures) 

 

Neither one of these guys are coming here.  We fired Bo.  Wasn't Bo Stoops best man?  That bridge was burnt a while back.  Urbs potentially is capable of the turn around we need, but he hasn't done that since his days at Bowling Green and then Utah.  Florida was absolutely stacked with talent when he took the head coaching job.  It's why he chose Florida over his dream job of Notre Dame.  There was only one season between Tressel and Urbs at Ohio State.  Tressel left the cupboard very well stocked.  Plus, Urbs has had health issues.  He isn't coming here.  

 

I can't think of a single coach out there that I would feel relatively comfortable with the ability to turn this thing around.  We've tried the ex-NFL guy.  It didn't work.  We tried one of the hottest coordinators.  We fired him.  We tried the poor man's Bill Snyder.  We fired him.  Now, we've tried the 2017 Home Depot Coach of the year.  Thus far, it hasn't been pretty; and we've fired others for doing better.  There just isn't a slam dunk hire out there.

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2 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

Neither one of these guys are coming here.  We fired Bo.  Wasn't Bo Stoops best man?  That bridge was burnt a while back.  Urbs potentially is capable of the turn around we need, but he hasn't done that since his days at Bowling Green and then Utah.  Florida was absolutely stacked with talent when he took the head coaching job.  It's why he chose Florida over his dream job of Notre Dame.  There was only one season between Tressel and Urbs at Ohio State.  Tressel left the cupboard very well stocked.  Plus, Urbs has had health issues.  He isn't coming here.  

 

I can't think of a single coach out there that I would feel relatively comfortable with the ability to turn this thing around.  We've tried the ex-NFL guy.  It didn't work.  We tried one of the hottest coordinators.  We fired him.  We tried the poor man's Bill Snyder.  We fired him.  Now, we've tried the 2017 Home Depot Coach of the year.  Thus far, it hasn't been pretty; and we've fired others for doing better.  There just isn't a slam dunk hire out there.

Doesn’t Tom Osborne have a son? 

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4 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

Neither one of these guys are coming here.  We fired Bo.  Wasn't Bo Stoops best man?  That bridge was burnt a while back.  Urbs potentially is capable of the turn around we need, but he hasn't done that since his days at Bowling Green and then Utah.  Florida was absolutely stacked with talent when he took the head coaching job.  It's why he chose Florida over his dream job of Notre Dame.  There was only one season between Tressel and Urbs at Ohio State.  Tressel left the cupboard very well stocked.  Plus, Urbs has had health issues.  He isn't coming here.  

 

I can't think of a single coach out there that I would feel relatively comfortable with the ability to turn this thing around.  We've tried the ex-NFL guy.  It didn't work.  We tried one of the hottest coordinators.  We fired him.  We tried the poor man's Bill Snyder.  We fired him.  Now, we've tried the 2017 Home Depot Coach of the year.  Thus far, it hasn't been pretty; and we've fired others for doing better.  There just isn't a slam dunk hire out there.

The inevitability of this situation is one of the most difficult pills to swallow.  As a fan base, we got what we wanted (except for Riley) when Solich was hired, then fired, and on and on until the golden son returned.  We applauded hire and cheered to the return to dominance.  Hell, as fans we look at the end of the first season as the tipping point and went full steam ahead with the media hype and then were reminded, bluntly, that Nebraska has been a mid, to low tier program for the past decade or better.  I remember people saying "If Frost can't turn this around, who can?" and we as fans cemented that as our reality and are struggling to accept our mediocrity (or lack thereof) as fact.

 

I've been a season ticket holder my entire adult life and I decided that I would buy them next year, but if this doesn't turn around then I'm not making the financial and emotional commitment to the program in 2022.  I feel that a lot of fans are thinking that same thing.  Until the Rutgers game got moved back, was anyone going to take the afternoon off to watch the game?  It's terrible, but it is what it is at this point.

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2 hours ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

I want to make this point in regards to CFB as a whole, because I don’t think Frost should be fired after this year. Continuity for the sake of continuity is dumb. Stoops was Oklahoma’s 3rd hire in 6 years. Saban was Bama’s 3rd hire in 6 years. I don’t think you’ll find many of those fans wising Shula and Blake got more time for the sake of continuity.

 

I agree with you fully.  I am fine with Frost getting a 4th year, but there should be some clear goals set by Moos publicly on what he's expecting to see from Frost in year 4.  I never understand those who push continuity when we are talking about continuing mediocrity with little signs of major improvement.  

 

You can add Florida to the list of programs that is on their 3rd coach in 6 years as Muschamp left in 2014, they hired McElwain for 3 years (while we had Riley), and they have had Mullen for the past 3 years while we have had Frost. McElwain was 22-12 when he was fired (where Riley was 19-19).  Mullen is 27-6 in his 3 years.  I would venture to guess that, if Frost was 11-20 at Nebraska, or heck even just .500, that Florida would be moving on from him right now.  

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2 hours ago, KC Sker said:

We probably have no shot at landing a big time coach anytime in the next few years anyway and the money thing makes it even more unrealistic. Let the Frost era fester on for another 2-3 years, but be working in a slam dunk plan after that like right now 

You keep saying this, but the chances that Nebraska would be able to attract the likes of coach of which you are beholden (i.e. Urban Meyer) are slim to none. Will I say impossible? No. But slim to none.

 

Lest we forget - Scott was a slam dunk hire three years ago, or about as close as one could get. Sure, he didn't have a tenured pedigree, but he was the most desired young coach in college football. You can't shoot much of a better shot than Nebraska did.

 

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In my opinion, we need to get the hell out of the big 10. Go back to the big 12 where we belong. Close to the fan base, our recruiting wheelhouse and just for the friggin fact we don't belong in the big 10. We tried this little experiment when it looked like the big 12 was gonna fold and it's blown up in our faces, we gambled and lost...sh#t happens. It would be nice to go to an away game that was 3-4 hours away, not 12-24 driving (maybe a bit off topic but just another contributing factor to our failures)

 

Nebraska isn't leaving the B1G any time soon, so talking about or wishing for it is futile. The academic and monetary benefits of being a B1G member far outweigh what the Big 12 could offer.

 

If Northwestern University can scrap together a team capable of winning the West division, there is absolutely no reason Nebraska couldn't do the same. Absolutely no reason at all. Nebraska would be a below .500 team in the Big 12 right now, just as they are in the B1G.

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3 hours ago, Husker_Code_Warrior said:

 

I am not saying we should do this for continuity. I am saying we should do this because Nick Saban ain't walking through that door and it is quite possible we have the right guy but need to work through some issues a bit longer. 

 

I would also point out that Mike Shula and Mike Price were also the 3rd and 4th coaches they hired in a 6 yr span just before Saban. 

 

That settles it- the next coach after a "Mike" is bound for greatness. We're good guys! 

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On 12/14/2020 at 1:38 PM, Husker_Bohunk said:

It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's.

 

The offense/defense we run ultimately doesn't matter, what matters is the kids we bring here.

 

Edit- Prior to 80-81ish, we ran what was considered a pro-style attack and we passed the ball with the likes of Vince Ferragamo, Dave Humm and Jerry Tagge. We can win passing the ball because we've done it in the past.

 

2nd Edit-Heck, we even won a pair of National Titles (70, 71) with one of those guys.

True, Osborne didn't recruit option quarterbacks or run much option until '80, but don't kid yourself about the 'pro' offense they ran. It was the very definition of '3 yards and a cloud of dust,' and they only threw when they needed to. And on a cold, windy December day? Osborne might have called 10 passes, if that. 

 

And Devaney ran it more than that. If Osborne wasn't there advising some play action, Devaney would've given the ball to Kinney or Rodgers around the end every play. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

True, Osborne didn't recruit option quarterbacks or run much option until '80, but don't kid yourself about the 'pro' offense they ran. It was the very definition of '3 yards and a cloud of dust,' and they only threw when they needed to. And on a cold, windy December day? Osborne might have called 10 passes, if that. 

 

And Devaney ran it more than that. If Osborne wasn't there advising some play action, Devaney would've given the ball to Kinney or Rodgers around the end every play. 

 

 

Well we didn't play in December much, but we threw it 33 times against Oklahoma in late November in 1972. 30 times in 1973. 30 times in 1974. Definitely not a wide open throw it all over offense, but not 3 yards and a cloud of dust either. 

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4 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

Well we didn't play in December much, but we threw it 33 times against Oklahoma in late November in 1972. 30 times in 1973. 30 times in 1974. Definitely not a wide open throw it all over offense, but not 3 yards and a cloud of dust either. 

Oklahoma had one of the best defenses in the country back then, so we had to throw. Minnesota... does not. We should have ran all over them.

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18 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

Well we didn't play in December much, but we threw it 33 times against Oklahoma in late November in 1972. 30 times in 1973. 30 times in 1974. Definitely not a wide open throw it all over offense, but not 3 yards and a cloud of dust either. 

 

What do all of these games have in common?  We lost them all.  Does it surprise you at all we threw it 30 times late in November when we lost 27-0?    

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9 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

 

What do all of these games have in common?  We lost them all.  Does it surprise you at all we threw it 30 times late in November when we lost 27-0?   

No it doesn't surprise me, because we ran a (more or less) balanced pro-style attack.

 

While running this very same offense we won a pair of National Titles.

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