Minnesota- What did we learn?

[Bledred]

4 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

If we dont give him 5 years before hes canned no one worth a dam will want to come here.  It will be rebuild after rebuild after rebuild

Frost will get 2021 and then be let go.  That will be four consecutive losing seasons.  IF Frost some how pulls off a miracle next season and gets to a bowl game, he will get one more year after that.  To say that Frost is on the hot seat is an understatement of the century right now.  It is win or lose for 2021 and looking at that schedule...

 

[Huskers93-97]

4 minutes ago, Bledred said:

Frost will get 2021 and then be let go.  That will be four consecutive losing seasons.  IF Frost some how pulls off a miracle next season and gets to a bowl game, he will get one more year after that.  To say that Frost is on the hot seat is an understatement of the century right now.  It is win or lose for 2021 and looking at that schedule...

 

I could see that, but unlikely I think he will buy himself time by replacing assistants and coordinators as a last ditch effort. I do think Moos would give him that ultimatum first before abruptly firing him 

[Bledred]

23 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

I didn't learn anything I didn't already know. 

 

Scott needs to swallow his pride and scrap this spread crap that EVERYONE else is doing. It was new and innovative until about 2012. Now, defensive coordinators have earned their money, schemed/recruited differently, and caught up. 

 

12 of the 14 B1G teams run spread. We need to be different. Go back to our roots, downhill blocking and running. Move the chains, run the clock, help the defense. 

 

Of all the people in the world to coach Nebraska football, I would think Scott would understand this more than anyone. But I think he's just being stubborn, trying to prove us all wrong. 

 

Run the ball, Scott. Let's be NEBRASKA again. 

Not going to happen.  Frost has the 'perfect' system and the players are just not 'doing it right'.  Frost and Chip Kelly will most likely be show the door at the same time.  The fast and furious spread Chip Kelly system is coming to an end.  How on earth could anybody with half a brain think that keeping your defense on the field most of the game, as often as possible, and as quickly as possible is an effective strategy??  Remember those feared black shirt Defenses at Nebraska?  That was partly because they were sitting on the sideline foaming at the mouth for 10-15 minutes waiting to play another series.  Our current defense is lucky if they get 2 minutes between being on the field.  Frost is re-inventing the wheel with his offensive scheme and everybody knows it except Frost.

 

We will return to running the ball, but it won't be under a former QB as skipper. 

[huskered17]

Bottom line, we are just not a good football team. 

Love my Cornhuskers, but it's out there for everyone to see.

Just get ready for next year, i guess.

Anyone know who or if, we are playing next week. Rutgers, Mi St, anyone ?

 

GBR!!!

[suh_fan93]

I don't feel like I learned much after yesterday.  Not that we didn't already know.  Personally I still don't feel like some of the type of guys that Nebraska must have/need aren't in the line up yet but that's half of our major problems.

 

Right now whoever is calling the offensive plays and when = Needs replaced.  Like now.  I feel with some better play calls this year this Nebraska offense isn't 'as' bad but this is not the case.  The play calling by itself is hamstringing Nebraska but there's more to that obviously (youth on the OL, a very thin Wide Receiving group, an inaccurate QB etc.)  Not sure how you basically abandon the run yesterday against once of the worst run defenses in the country??????????  Despite all of this IF Martinez had the accuracy (and the ability to turn the ball over less)  we actually win that game yesterday.  Not the case and once again we find ourselves in the L column.

 

Minny killed us in time of possession so I can't be as mad at the defense after a few pretty good games and allowing Minny almost 5 ypc yesterday.  I'm more disappointed in our coaches right now truth be told.  For as good as Frost is he so far has shown some glaring deficiencies and they are killing us youth/having the right guys in place right now or not.

 

 

[I AM FOOT FOOT]

20 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

I don't feel like I learned much after yesterday.  Not that we didn't already know.  Personally I still don't feel like some of the type of guys that Nebraska must have/need aren't in the line up yet but that's half of our major problems.

 

Right now whoever is calling the offensive plays and when = Needs replaced.  Like now.  I feel with some better play calls this year this Nebraska offense isn't 'as' bad but this is not the case.  The play calling by itself is hamstringing Nebraska but there's more to that obviously (youth on the OL, a very thin Wide Receiving group, an inaccurate QB etc.)  Not sure how you basically abandon the run against once of the worst run defenses in the country??????????  Despite all of this IF Martinez had the accuracy (and the ability to turn the ball over less)  we actually win that game yesterday.  Not the case and once again we find ourselves in the L column.

 

Minny killed us in time of possession so I can't be as mad at the defense after a few pretty good games and allowing Minny almost 5 ypc yesterday.  I'm more disappointed in our coaches right now truth be told.  For as good as Frost is he so far has shown some glaring deficiencies and they are killing us youth/having the right guys in place right now or not.

 

 

As good as Frost is?? Good at what exactly??   

[gorp512]

1 hour ago, Jeremy said:

I didn't learn anything I didn't already know. 

 

Scott needs to swallow his pride and scrap this spread crap that EVERYONE else is doing. It was new and innovative until about 2012. Now, defensive coordinators have earned their money, schemed/recruited differently, and caught up. 

 

12 of the 14 B1G teams run spread. We need to be different. Go back to our roots, downhill blocking and running. Move the chains, run the clock, help the defense. 

 

Of all the people in the world to coach Nebraska football, I would think Scott would understand this more than anyone. But I think he's just being stubborn, trying to prove us all wrong. 

 

Run the ball, Scott. Let's be NEBRASKA again. 

 

 

This just isn't true. The Huskers aren't a military school that needs to run a historic system to be successful. 12/14 B1G teams and the vast majority of the successful programs over the last ten years run the spread. It isn't the system as much as the designers of that system. 

[Danimal]

5 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

If we dont give him 5 years before hes canned no one worth a dam will want to come here.  It will be rebuild after rebuild after rebuild

 

Totally disagree, if Frost loses for four years straight seasons folks will see it as his failure not ours for not giving him more time. This isn't firing Frank and Bo after 9-3 seasons, it's firing a guy that had four seasons to do SOMETHING and did squat. We've already moved the goalposts considerably in terms of what constitutes success for Frost, that's enough, he shouldn't also need a fifth season to get over the bar we've lowered. 

[suh_fan93]

18 minutes ago, man eating mastodon said:

As good as Frost is?? Good at what exactly??   

 

I like the kind/type of guys he is recruiting primarily and how his focus is and has been on how important culture is to a program.  To be more clear I am riding with Frost.  As a game manager and play caller however as I and others have pointed out he needs to be/get a lot better.

 

 

[lo country]

I saw on another board that this year we have averaged a whopping 5.6 points per game in the 2nd half..........5.6 points......I do not think anyone would term that as even remotely successful or headed in the right direction.

 

As much crap as Chin gets, the defense has improved.  Other than 3rd down success rate.  DL playing better.  ILB playin better.  JoJo improved as well.  I do not like the DB's playing 12 yards off, but even they have improved their play.  

 

The offense is a complete disaster. With little development of anyone....RB, WR, TE, QB, OL......Yes they are young, BUT have they gotten any better since week 1.......A lot of this is on the OC.......We stop running against the worst run D in the league.....to pass, in the wind......to put our D back on the field time and time again.  Game after game...

 

Some whole sale changes need to take place or we are looking at another losing season next year....

 

 

[PasstheDamnBallGuy]

9 hours ago, Cy the Cyclone said:

Why does everybody hope Frost "figures it out"?  He was supposed to have it figured out already.  He was the hot commodity when he was hired.  College football's wunderkind football genius.  That's why he got the big bucks when he came to Nebraska...because he had turning a faltering football program around "figured out".  

 

If he he hasn't figured it out by now, chances are he's not going to figure it out in five years either.

I can't for the life of me imagine why fans would hope their coach figures it out and turns the program around. I'll have to take some time and think on this one. 

[Cy the Cyclone]

My point being that a coach who comes in riding the accolades that Scott Frost came in with should have it "figured out" already.  Basic coaching functions like clock management, player evaluations and personnel decisions are not something it should take a coach of the year winner three years to "figure out".  

[Decoy73]

This I know.  Coach Frost is a smart guy.  I wouldn't be worried about any ego issues either.  This season should be enough to humble anyone.  I know some will disagree.

 

I also know he wants to right the ship more than anyone.  As maddening as games like Minny were/are, I think he will do it, but it is going to take a complete re-evaluation of the program.  I'm not calling for firings of coaches because, although we all have our suspicions, I don't know for sure if anyone is underperforming.  I'll trust Coach on that.

 

Play calling?  Yes it looks bad at times, but if the plays work, not so much.  

Confidence?  If the Purdue game wasn't enough to make the players feel confident about a beating depleted/bad MN team, then nothing will.

Physicality?  We're clearly bigger and more physical than we've been for a while.  

Scheme?  Perhaps.  I still long for a downhill running attack as part of the offense and I'm not sold on the 3-4 concept--no pass rush, inconsistent run-stuffing.

 

If Coach were to ask me, I'd say the problems are deeper than just just one or two units on the team not cutting it.  Even if AMart completed those 4 or 5 downfield key passes and we had a running back game, we still probably win the game by one or two scores.  Minny was a team that should have been blown out by a good team.  Iowa would have beaten MN by at least 4 scores yesterday.

 

We keep hearing over and over again about how a good week of practices somehow doesn't translate into a good game day.

 

 Is it a stretch to suggest that they re-evaluate every facet of our practices?  

Are morning practices working?  Is the scout team making it difficult enough for the 1s?  Do we ever go 1s vs 1s?  Is the roster to damned big?  Are the players "toughened up enough"?  Is there enough pressure put on the players (especially QBs) during these scrimmage sessions?  Are QBs hit or at least thudded-up?  So many more questions...

 

Somehow these "great practices" and "improving culture" isn't translating into good Saturdays.  I watched Iowa, who has an average offense at best, essentially impose their will on Wisky.  Yes a bad/mediocre Wisky, but still it's Wisconsin.  When was the last time NU did that to any opponent?

 

Practices.

 

That's where I'd suggest he start. 

 

 

 

[seaofred92]

59 minutes ago, lo country said:

I saw on another board that this year we have averaged a whopping 5.6 points per game in the 2nd half..........5.6 points......I do not think anyone would term that as even remotely successful or headed in the right direction.

 

As much crap as Chin gets, the defense has improved.  Other than 3rd down success rate.  DL playing better.  ILB playin better.  JoJo improved as well.  I do not like the DB's playing 12 yards off, but even they have improved their play.  

 

The offense is a complete disaster. With little development of anyone....RB, WR, TE, QB, OL......Yes they are young, BUT have they gotten any better since week 1.......A lot of this is on the OC.......We stop running against the worst run D in the league.....to pass, in the wind......to put our D back on the field time and time again.  Game after game...

 

Some whole sale changes need to take place or we are looking at another losing season next year....

 

 

This is what I was saying by I actually agree with Frost when he says we’re “close”. The problem is- a lot of our issues are at the most important positions on the field, and are self inflicted through recruiting and scheme. 

 

First off- I don’t even know where to begin with how putrid we are in the second half. We’ve been out coached and out played in every single second half this season. Have to be a bottom 25% halftime adjustment staff in FBS. Easily. 

 

The DL, ILB, and OL play is noticeably improved. The front 7 is much much much better and it’s why the defense “bends” but doesn’t often “break”. 
 

The offensive problems are 100% on Scott and the offensive staff. I completely understand wanting to establish culture- culture trumps EVERYTHING in any organization and if you don’t have a strong culture you’re doomed to eventually fail. The issue I have is I look at a guy like Marcus Fleming- how much of him getting run off was his own doing versus the staff’s? When you recruit these kids you turn over every stone and ask every single person in their life about them. What could’ve possibly changed so much from the Northwestern game, where Fleming looked like the best WR on the roster- to him going to Omaha getting on a plane and flying home? If you’re doing your homework in recruiting BEFORE they get here, the culture should in essence set itself. In everyday line of work, you don’t hire someone and after they get in start to see if it would be a good fit socially and culturally. You figure that out as part of the process, everything else can be taught.

 

The running back room is a complete and total mess. Don’t even know where to begin. Thompkins has completely disappeared for no reason at all. He was the number 2 back against Ohio State, looked great, and then hasn’t seen the field. As far as I’ve been able to figure out, he’s not injured. So what gives? Rahmir Johnson can’t see the field and for some reason despite showing glimpses of strong play, Marvin Scott is deployed infrequently. What the hell are we doing in this room?

 

As wildly frustrating as the QB play has been at times, Nebraska will not get out of the mud until we find a consistent set of pass rushers. Not just one, but multiple guys that can regularly get home. The DB pre-snap positioning and chin’s soft zone is 100% a reflection of our inability to pressure the QB. I said it in the OP and I’ll say it again now- Nebraska seriously needs to take FIVE (5!) pass rushers per class the next 3 classes until they’ve got a few that work. He’s not a world beater by any means, but Junior Aho who we kicked to the curb to sign Riley and Payne last year has been a pass rushing specialist for SMU this season and in 10 games has 5.5 TFL, 4.0 sacks, and a FF. You think that could’ve helped us at all? The best example I can give to what a pass rush would do for NU is the Purdue game- they finally got home (mostly because Purdue OL is atrocious) but it allowed us to have a fantastic defensive performance otherwise. Until we solve this problem, this team will be marginal at best.  
 

 

[KCBuc]

8 hours ago, Stone Cold said:

If we dont give him 5 years before hes canned no one worth a dam will want to come here.  It will be rebuild after rebuild after rebuild

The flip side to that argument is after 5 years of Frost and his crappy OC/DC, no game changing recruit will want to come here (and stay). Changes need to happen to his staff sooner than later. This is Calahanish.