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Do We Have the Talent We Need?


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3 hours ago, Corn55 said:

I don't think we have the talent to do much more than win the awful BIG West division. But since Frost is going into year 4, that's his fault.

 

So your vote then is that we have the talent to get the better of Wisconsin, Northwestern, & Iowa but that it's the coaching that is lacking?

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3 hours ago, HANC said:

So much negative talk about Jurgens.  I understand and see first hand how bad the snaps are and how many times it has cost us negative plays, including the timing issues in the passing game.

 

I also know how hard it is to play center (technique alone), especially if you are going to run 99.9% from the gun.  This is not a natural feat.  Throw in the more demanding task of understanding defensive fronts and having to learn all the line calls at the D1 level.  Jurgens is a FREAK athlete.  I am as frustrated as the rest of you, but I refuse to banish him and constantly harp.  For anyone who hasn't experience "turf toe", which may be the most difficult injury to play through, it limits a ton of movement.  Considering a Center has a lot of weight transfer at the snap, yes it can play a part.  No excuses, but a little insight.

As a coach, I am personally waiting to see what the beginning of next season holds.  If he struggles, then I am all on board with the "Jurgens must go" side, but I just have a gut feeling that many will be eating their words when he is playing Center in the NFL.  


I apology to anyone who believes I'm "harping on this".  I read the whole thread and their was not one post stating what to me is the "obvious" ... so I did [there was enough praise in the thread for the OL ... but nothing on this].  Not trying to add insult to injury.

For me, I'll be personally really upset if Jurgens is playing Center in the NFL ... and during his five [5] years hear he couldn't make it through a game with a bad snap.  That would really show me the development issue.  So, just to communicate, I'm not saying "Jurgens must go", but Frost has his guy ... he's said it's a problem and it must get fixed ... that it will get fixed.  HEY COACH, I'M HOLDING YOU TO THAT!  I'm waiting ... that is all.

I do find it humorous that the same behavior by a player can continue for three years ... but a comment on a post about this issue has been said too many times [didn't realize I had said it 20 times in the past day].  Too funny.

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38 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

So your vote then is that we have the talent to get the better of Wisconsin, Northwestern, & Iowa but that it's the coaching that is lacking?

You can call it coaching or whatever you want, but we played well enough to beat NW and Iowa this year. Yes, it all comes back to coaching, but there were plenty of non-coach mistakes that swung those games.

 

22 minutes ago, BigRedN said:


I apology to anyone who believes I'm "harping on this".  I read the whole thread and their was not one post stating what to me is the "obvious" ... so I did [there was enough praise in the thread for the OL ... but nothing on this].  Not trying to add insult to injury.

For me, I'll be personally really upset if Jurgens is playing Center in the NFL ... and during his five [5] years hear he couldn't make it through a game with a bad snap.  That would really show me the development issue.  So, just to communicate, I'm not saying "Jurgens must go", but Frost has his guy ... he's said it's a problem and it must get fixed ... that it will get fixed.  HEY COACH, I'M HOLDING YOU TO THAT!  I'm waiting ... that is all.

I do find it humorous that the same behavior by a player can continue for three years ... but a comment on a post about this issue has been said too many times [didn't realize I had said it 20 times in the past day].  Too funny.  That is truly the politics of today's generation ... hope nobody impeaches me for it.

 

I think it's stretching quite a bit to say he hasn't made it through a game without a bad snap. I am also frustrated they popped back up early in the year, but they were not really present later in the year. And if we're saying he has 3 years of bad snaps, you're counting his year as an injured freshman TE. Can't say I care a lot about what his snaps were like then. 

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10 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

You can call it coaching or whatever you want, but we played well enough to beat NW and Iowa this year. Yes, it all comes back to coaching, but there were plenty of non-coach mistakes that swung those games.

 

 

I think it's stretching quite a bit to say he hasn't made it through a game without a bad snap. I am also frustrated they popped back up early in the year, but they were not really present later in the year. And if we're saying he has 3 years of bad snaps, you're counting his year as an injured freshman TE. Can't say I care a lot about what his snaps were like then. 


Agreed.  I'm probably a head case at this stage.  It's probably my own HTSD [Hiking Traumatic Stress Disorder].

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44 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

You can call it coaching or whatever you want, but we played well enough to beat NW and Iowa this year. Yes, it all comes back to coaching, but there were plenty of non-coach mistakes that swung those games.

 

Getting into game-specific analysis is really more of my thing.

 

In the Northwestern game we missed a field goal - and even though Culp is a pretty good field goal kicker, it still goes back to how special teams just continues to nag our team.

McCaffrey then does a great job of taking us down the field but then gets us into the wrong formation on the two yard line and Mills gets stuffed. Then he gets a pass tipped and it gets picked off. We would have had to then convert a two point conversion just to tie it, and who knows what happens after that.

 

Were we close in that game? I'd agree to describe it that way, yes. But I still see that game as 'the glass being half empty' instead of it being 'half full.'

 

Negative Nancy over here...I know.

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2 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Getting into game-specific analysis is really more of my thing.

 

In the Northwestern game we missed a field goal - and even though Culp is a pretty good field goal kicker, it still goes back to how special teams just continues to nag our team.

McCaffrey then does a great job of taking us down the field but then gets us into the wrong formation on the two yard line and Mills gets stuffed. Then he gets a pass tipped and it gets picked off. We would have had to then convert a two point conversion just to tie it, and who knows what happens after that.

 

Were we close in that game? I'd agree to describe it that way, yes. But I still see that game as 'the glass being half empty' instead of it being 'half full.'

 

Negative Nancy over here...I know.

Understandable given the past couple decades. I think we see pretty similar things overall, but I'm definitely more 'glass half full,' or probably more accurately - delusional. The problems are frustrating, it's a mix of finding new ways to beat ourselves (NW was a good example) and some of the same old ones like just not showing up against Illinois. I do think they're getting less frequent and that we'll break through soon - recent history is not on my side though.

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1 hour ago, Husker in WI said:

Understandable given the past couple decades. I think we see pretty similar things overall, but I'm definitely more 'glass half full,' or probably more accurately - delusional. The problems are frustrating, it's a mix of finding new ways to beat ourselves (NW was a good example) and some of the same old ones like just not showing up against Illinois. I do think they're getting less frequent and that we'll break through soon - recent history is not on my side though.

 

I hear you!

 

Against Illinois we saw how McCaffrey wasn't anywhere close to being able to handle the full game plan where more than just being a glorified wildcat QB was required. He committed four turnovers. I chalk that game up to bad coaching by even playing McCaffrey in the first place and am honestly bewildered by Frost's claims that "in practice, both guys are neck-and-neck."

 

However I will say, we didn't have Mills for that game and that potentially made up for most of the problems in the first place.

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26 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

I hear you!

 

Against Illinois we saw how McCaffrey wasn't anywhere close to being able to handle the full game plan where more than just being a glorified wildcat QB was required. He committed four turnovers. I chalk that game up to bad coaching by even playing McCaffrey in the first place and am honestly bewildered by Frost's claims that "in practice, both guys are neck-and-neck."

 

However I will say, we didn't have Mills for that game and that potentially made up for most of the problems in the first place.

That, AND the fact that the tone was set with the very first play call.....

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8 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yeah, the way he lateraled that ball way out on the edge...that was so frustrating.

 

That play.. so, so bad. It was clearly terrible decision on the surface. But it also wasn't a lateral, and should have been reviewed and overturned, which made me think it wasn't as bad. But then it still would've been an illegal forward pass, reinforcing how bad a decision it actually was. Literally no good could come of it, unless you expected Wan'Dale to catch it with somebody already actively tackling him and break out of it. Or maybe you want to argue defensive holding on the LB, but since the pass was past the line of scrimmage it would also be OPI on the receiver blocking. Literally no good outcome possible once he bounced it.

 

Just a truly bizarre play, especially considering (as I understand it) that was a straight zone read that has a bubble attached to the backside, one of our "simple" plays.

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