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2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I know a lot of people who have had it so they don't think they need to get vaccinated.  Problem with that is, many of them never got tested.  They just THINK they had it.

The ones without a known positive test, they should probably get antibody test to make sure or just get the vaccine.   
 

For the younger population, I hear more and more people worried about getting their teens vaccinated because of the heart inflammation worries.  Combine that with the extremely low risk rate and I wonder how low the percentage will be of teen vaccinations. 

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Did anyone ask their thoughts on if someone was unvaccinated but previously had infection since all the recent studies show B-cell and T-cell markers for Covid-19.  I wonder if the infectious disease specialists carve out exceptions for that group or think they are part of the issue also.  
 

I still wonder if a good portion of the unvaccinated don’t get the vaccine because they know they had Covid-19 previously.  

I was curious what the current guidance is for people who have already had covid, and the expert guidance is that they should still get the vaccine.

 

From the CDC:

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If I have had Covid-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with the Covid-19 vaccine?

Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected.

 

If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Talk to your doctor if you are unsure what treatments you received or if you have more questions about getting a COVID-19 vaccine.

 

If you or your child has a history of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults or children (MIS-A or MIS-C), consider delaying vaccination until you or your child have recovered from being sick and for 90 days after the date of diagnosis of MIS-A or MIS-C. Learn more about the clinical considerations people with a history of multisystem MIS-C or MIS-A.

 

Experts are still learning more about how long vaccines protect against COVID-19. CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

 

 

From University of Chicago Medicine:

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Do I still need the vaccine if I’ve already had COVID-19?

Absolutely. While we know recovering from a COVID-19 infection means you will have circulating antibodies in your system, we are still learning about how the immune system handles the antibody response after a natural infection. We’re not sure how protective the antibodies are from different kinds of infections — such as an asymptomatic infection versus a symptomatic infection. With vaccination, we know that people with healthy immune systems are getting a great antibody response. So I would recommend vaccination even after a COVID-19 infection to get the best protection.

 

On top of that, if you live with people who are at higher risk of severe infection or may not develop a strong antibody level after vaccination, getting your own COVID-19 vaccination may make it less likely that you will transmit the virus to them.

 

 

Even a study that found evidence that natural immunity is similar to vaccine immunity still recommends getting at least one does of the vaccine and prioritizing vaccinating those who haven't previously had covid.

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According to the findings, vaccination significantly lowers the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection among people who haven’t already had COVID-19 — but not necessarily among people who have already had it.

 

Those individuals appeared to have similar immunity to those who were fully vaccinated.

 

Given the limited availability of the vaccines in certain countries, the findings add to the growing belief that the vaccines should be prioritized for those who haven’t previously had COVID-19.

 

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One study found that previously sick individuals who took one dose of the vaccine had a stronger antibody response compared to people who hadn’t had the infection but had received both doses of the vaccine.

 

Another report concluded that one dose in previously sick people produced an immune response similar to people who didn’t have prior infection but received both doses.

 

Adalja is also for the one-dose strategy. “A single dose of a two-dose vaccine regimen may be all that is necessary for someone with a prior infection,” he said.

According to Adalja, it can be difficult to determine whether somebody has natural immunity since antibody levels decline over time, and T cells are cumbersome to measure.

 

 

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On 6/17/2021 at 8:50 AM, Archy1221 said:

We are currently under 10,000 average weekly infections for the first time which is when almost every doctor I have heard interviewed said they would feel very comfortable being out and about in a normal way.   Good news!

 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/

in  the usa?  or your state?    if i read that chart correctly...florida by itself is averaging over 6k cases per day.  or i might be misunderstanding the chart.    

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, commando said:

in  the usa?  or your state?    if i read that chart correctly...florida by itself is averaging over 6k cases per day.  or i might be misunderstanding the chart.    

 

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

 

The above link has Florida at a 7-day average at over 9800 cases per day.  USA 7-day average at nearly 46,000.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/unvaccinated-case-rate-delta-surge/

 

 Hospitalizations are rising too.  We're now back to levels equal to that of mid-April.  

 

All driven by the wisdom of guys like this.

 

 

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I'm wondering how many of those that are now singing a different tune on vaccinations like Steve Scalise were going to sponge off of all of those who got vaccinated, figured the numbers would stay low, then the Delta variant entered the chat, and they're now are like "oh s#!t, this is real". 

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50 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

I'm wondering how many of those that are now singing a different tune on vaccinations like Steve Scalise were going to sponge off of all of those who got vaccinated, figured the numbers would stay low, then the Delta variant entered the chat, and they're now are like "oh s#!t, this is real". 

Was Steve Scalise a Covid anti-Vaxxer?

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20 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

Not sure but he just got vaccinated.  Why wait this long?  Definitely a skeptic. 

This seems to be why he waited.  This is a patient case type I have previously brought up as why some haven’t been vaccinated yet.  

 

‘Mr Scalise previously has stated he tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies and believed that his antibodies would protect him. The Delta variant changed his mind.’

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-scalise-vaccinated-pfizer-louisiana-b1888261.html%3famp

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1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

This seems to be why he waited.  This is a patient case type I have previously brought up as why some haven’t been vaccinated yet.  

 

‘Mr Scalise previously has stated he tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies and believed that his antibodies would protect him. The Delta variant changed his mind.’

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/steve-scalise-vaccinated-pfizer-louisiana-b1888261.html%3famp

So the Delta variant changed his mind.  Good call. Dumb to wait though.  

 

Hopefully the Delta variant changes a lot of minds before more people wind up in the hospital on death's doorstep draining resources, putting front line workers under the gun again, and being breeding grounds for new variants. 

 

Btw, I really don't put much stock into what Scalise says after his whitewashing of Jan 6th.  

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/08/study-highlights-need-for-full-covid-vaccination-to-protect-against-delta-variant/

 

"Antibodies from 56 people who were infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the past did not neutralize Delta very well, but after one dose of either the AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech, or Moderna vaccines, antibodies from all 56 neutralized all four strains. 

That makes sense, Rasmussen said, because there is a much larger range in both the magnitude and potency of immune responses in infection compared to vaccination."

 

Reinfection may be rare at this point but there doesn't seem to be much data on how that relates to new variants.  The study linked above implies it is dumb to wait though.

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