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2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

And there you have it folks, the evolution of the Steele Dossier.   Apparently now it’s irrelevant (Now that’s it’s discredited).   Yet it was widely used in Trumps term to discredit his administration 

Kind of like the whips of the Border Patrol...

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8 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

Kind of like the whips of the Border Patrol...

 

Sure. As we get more and better information, we move closer to the truth.

 

The Steele Dossier had its moment in the sun, now it's irrelevant in the face of these facts. 

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

 

And yet, long after the left stopped speaking about it, trumpets keep bringing it up. It's not exonerating in the face of the above facts, but here we are, acting as if it is. 

 

Why is that?

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16 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Are you aware of how many hours of depositions the Trump kids went through? 

So the standard is number of hours being deposed for something? That's just silly. For example, if Hunter Biden has been deposed for some hours at some point, that's apparently good enough?

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Now why would the FBI, investigate line by line, yet only make passing reference in an actual report on Trump/Russia?   Hmmm…
 

The U.S. intelligence community took the allegations seriously,[25] and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigated every line of the dossier and identified and spoke with at least two of Steele's sources.[26] In January 2017, the primary sub-source said that Steele misstated or exaggerated certain information.[27] The Mueller Report, a summary of the findings of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, contained passing references to some of the dossier's allegations but little mention of its more sensational claims.[26]
 

 

 

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Veracity and corroboration status of specific allegations

 

Cultivation of Trump through time

Source(s) for Report 80 (June 2016) alleged that the Kremlin had been cultivating Trump for "at least five years".

Luke Harding writes that documents show Czechoslovakia spied on Trump during the 1970s and 1980s, when he was married to Ivana Trump, his Czechoslovakia-born first wife. Harding writes that the Czechoslovakian government spied on Trump because of his political ambitions and notability as a businessman. It is known that there were close ties between Czechoslovakia's StB and the USSR's KGB.[202]

 

 

Russian assistance to the Trump campaign

Lawfare has noted that the "Mueller investigation has clearly produced public records that confirm pieces of the dossier. And even where the details are not exact, the general thrust of Steele's reporting seems credible in light of what we now know about extensive contacts between numerous individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government officials."[211]

 

 

Manafort's and others' co-operation with Russian efforts

While the Mueller investigation did not "produce enough evidence"[227] to prove the existence of a formal written or oral "conspiracy",[42][228][229] some consider the actions of Manafort,[230] Trump's welcoming of Russian help,[231] and the myriad secret contacts between other Trump campaign members and associates with Russians[77][31][32] to be the alleged "co-operation" with the Russian's "'sweeping and systematic' operation in 2016 to help Trump win",[6] which the Mueller Report describes as "Steele's central claim".[6][210]

 

 

Russian conversations confirmed

 

U.S. officials said the corroboration gave "US intelligence and law enforcement 'greater confidence' in the credibility of some aspects of the dossier as they continue to actively investigate its contents".[28]

 

Kremlin's "Romanian" hackers and use of WikiLeaks, and Trump campaign reaction

Thirteen Russian nationals and three companies have been charged for their efforts to interfere in the 2016 election and to support Trump's campaign. They started their campaign in 2014, "long before" the official start of Trump's campaign, according to Trump. By 2016, they were supporting Trump, concluded the U.S. government.[261]

 

 

Manafort and kickback payments from Yanukovych

 

From 2006 to at least 2009, Manafort had a $10 million annual contract with Putin ally and aluminum magnate, Oleg Deripaska, a contract under which Manafort had proposed he would "influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin's government."[269]

 

 

Page met with Rosneft officials

Dossier source(s) allege that Carter Page secretly met Rosneft chairman Igor Sechin in July 2016.[171] Page denied meeting Sechin or any Russian officials during that July trip,[270][271] but he later admitted under oath that he met with Sechin's senior aide, Andrey Baranov, who was head of Rosneft's investor relations.[272][56]

 

Spy withdrawn from Russian embassy

Dossier source(s) allege that "a leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN" [sic] participated in U.S. election meddling, and was recalled to Moscow because the Kremlin was concerned his role in the meddling would be exposed. The BBC later reported that U.S. officials in 2016 had identified Russian diplomat Mikhail Kalugin as a spy and that he was under surveillance, thus "verifying" a key claim in the dossier.[173] Kalugin was the head of the economics section at the Russian embassy. He returned to Russia in August 2016.[187] McClatchy reported that the FBI was investigating whether Kalugin played a role in the election interference. Kalugin has denied the allegations.[187][309]

 

Seems like there is a lot of information in the report that was later verified.

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

The Steele Dossier is irrelevant. There's plenty of evidence of trump's ties to Putin and Russian mobsters. 

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

 

 

It's interesting that the Steele Dossier keeps coming up as a defense of trump, though. Almost as if it's an attempt to distract people. 

It is no longer the authority on what happened leading up to the 2016 election, but it is not necessarily irrelevant. As shown above it had quite a bit of correct information that should make most Americans pretty aware of manipulation by outside forces.

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2 hours ago, RedDenver said:

So the standard is number of hours being deposed for something? That's just silly. For example, if Hunter Biden has been deposed for some hours at some point, that's apparently good enough?

Well, I never said it was the standard.  Those are your words.  I was asking if you were aware of how many hours of congressional investigation they were subject to?  Compare that to Hunter since that is what people on here wanted to do.  

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4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Well, I never said it was the standard.  Those are your words.  I was asking if you were aware of how many hours of congressional investigation they were subject to?  Compare that to Hunter since that is what people on here wanted to do.  

Go ahead, tell us about the many hours.

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14 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Go ahead, tell us about the many hours.

 

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-jr-spent-hours-house-committee-bickered-comparison/story?id=51635880
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/06/12/donald-trump-jr-testifies-at-senate-intelligence-committee-on-russia.html
 

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Trump Jr Transcript_redacted.pdf
 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/eric-trump-answers-questions-new-york-investigators-deposition/
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/02/politics/ivanka-trump-deposition/index.html
 


not use that this all of the instances but feel free to add up the hours if you really want the info.  It was easy to find. 

21 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Go ahead, tell us about the many hours.

Now let me know about Hunter’s testimony’s 

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1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Like I said, I'm all in favor of real investigations, but this is just political theater. If it's just Congress bringing Hunter out for some PR for their next campaign ads, then I don't care at all.

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26 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Like I said, I'm all in favor of real investigations, but this is just political theater. If it's just Congress bringing Hunter out for some PR for their next campaign ads, then I don't care at all.

You don’t think that laptop has some “there” there worth looking into just solely based on the emails already shown and confirmed????

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2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

You don’t think that laptop has some “there” there worth looking into just solely based on the emails already shown and confirmed????

By a real, non-partisan investigation, then yes. But this is just political theater by the Repubs to hurt the Dems. Nothing real is going to happen to the Trumps or the Bidens though.

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  Hunter is just another distraction. If we're really concerned about the "there" there, we'd be protesting in front of congress until this is fully investigated.

 

That there's been no push for this tells us all we need to know about the Republican interest in President Joe Biden's son.

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

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I guess the Mueller Investigation and final report that was clearly written well after the 2017 Politico story being referenced says people weren’t concerned enough to investigate….insert eye roll……It would be nice if people would acknowledge the most recent and accurate facts instead of posting the rumor mill stories.  
 

As notes from the illustrious Politico attempt at puzzle solving. 
“There’s nothing inherently damning about most of the ties illustrated below. “. :dunno

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From 2020:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

 

Though there was no evidence of any agreement between the Russians and the Trump campaign to work together, there was clear coordination, said Senator Angus King, a Maine independent who caucuses with the Democrats and is a member of the Intelligence Committee.

 

The Russians were doing things to disrupt American democracy and help the Trump campaign and the Trump campaign was doing things to amplify and utilize what the Russians were supplying,” Mr. King said in an interview. “There may not have been an explicit agreement but they were both consciously pursing the same end, which was the election of Donald Trump. And for the Russians, the extra benefit was disrupting American democracy.”

 

But sure, let's pretend Hunter's laptop (But her emails/Benghazi/etc) is more important than this. 

 

 

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The exposure to America if Hunter Biden is dirty is... nothing. We have zero exposure.

 

The exposure to America if the former guy was coordinating with an enemy to disrupt American democracy could be existential. 

 

 

 

I'm even fine with doing both. But let's not pretend we're talking about Hunter for any other reason than party politics. 

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