TGHusker Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, ZRod said: But does Attorney client privilege come in to play here? He is the White House attorney - for the institution --- not for the president himself - not a personal attorney Big difference. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 @ZRod Just thought about something. He's the Whitehouse attorney. NOT Trump's personal attorney. So, I would guess the attorney client privilege is off the table. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, TGHusker said: He is the White House attorney - for the institution --- not for the president himself - not a personal attorney Big difference. 2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: @ZRod Just thought about something. He's the Whitehouse attorney. NOT Trump's personal attorney. So, I would guess the attorney client privilege is off the table. One of those "Great Mind" things... 2 Link to comment
Decoy73 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, ZRod said: But does Attorney client privilege come in to play here? I think it’s up to Cipollone. If Trump exerts executive privilege, Biden will waive it. The DOJ, however has already made clear it won’t enforce congressional subpoenas for Trump’s inner circle. So testifying could be an opportunity for Cipollone to get himself out of this whole mess. If this ever becomes a criminal trial, I believe the court could enforce subpoenas on pretty much any relevant party. But I’m not a lawyer, so I’m basically just talking out of my a$$ on this topic. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, BigRedBuster said: And rightly so. This committee has been pretty amazing thus far. If GOP leadership was smart (they aint) they would be starting the Cheney for president campaign right now while this is hot and drop the loser who took them to the dance. 1 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: The question is, what are the "receipts"? We have one testimony saying she was told this happened under oath. We have one guy saying it didn't happen while not under oath. What I find interesting is that the video of Trump being driven away from the rally in the suburban shows him being very animated while talking to the driver. I'm sure that's when he was being told he wasn't going to the capital. Unfortunately, the incident wasn't on video. Wasn't there a third person in the vehicle? Is this the video you're referring to? Did you mean to say "unfortunately, the incident wasn't on audio"? Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Scarlet said: Is this the video you're referring to? Did you mean to say "unfortunately, the incident wasn't on audio"? Yes that’s the video. But, they don’t have the video of him climbing over the seat. Audio would be nice. 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Yes that’s the video. But, they don’t have the video of him climbing over the seat. Audio would be nice. I can't see s#!t 1 Link to comment
Decoy73 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, ZRod said: I can't see s#!t He’s in the back seat. Link to comment
alexhortdog95 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 I don't think we need to focus on trying to decipher any footage of what happened in the SUV. Only part that matters there is getting whomever was in that car to testify under oath. 4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: That might depend on Cipollone's attitude towards it. Sounds like he was trying to talk Trump out of doing worse than he did on J6. No matter what, if he testifies, it's going to get even a lot more interesting. I've been saying this from jump. If Cipollone testifies, THAT'S your true John Dean moment, and Trump would probably be toast, because I think that opens the floodgates for others that are wanting to testify. 4 hours ago, ZRod said: But does Attorney client privilege come in to play here? As others have said here, Cipollone wasn't Trump's private attorney - he was a government employee. Besides....attorney client privilege does not apply to crimes that may have been committed. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html?pathUI=button The crime-fraud exception applies if: the client was in the process of committing or intended to commit a crime or fraudulent act, and the client communicated with the lawyer with intent to further the crime or fraud, or to cover it up. Lastly - per the lawsuit that Trump lost earlier this year - while former CICs can claim executive privilege...the current CIC can override said privilege. That ability is only applicable to the CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a272_9p6b.pdf Link to comment
TGHusker Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, alexhortdog95 said: I don't think we need to focus on trying to decipher any footage of what happened in the SUV. Only part that matters there is getting whomever was in that car to testify under oath. I've been saying this from jump. If Cipollone testifies, THAT'S your true John Dean moment, and Trump would probably be toast, because I think that opens the floodgates for others that are wanting to testify. As others have said here, Cipollone wasn't Trump's private attorney - he was a government employee. Besides....attorney client privilege does not apply to crimes that may have been committed. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/the-crime-fraud-exception-the-attorney-client-privilege.html?pathUI=button The crime-fraud exception applies if: the client was in the process of committing or intended to commit a crime or fraudulent act, and the client communicated with the lawyer with intent to further the crime or fraud, or to cover it up. Lastly - per the lawsuit that Trump lost earlier this year - while former CICs can claim executive privilege...the current CIC can override said privilege. That ability is only applicable to the CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a272_9p6b.pdf Your last statement = trump is toast 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 hours ago, TGHusker said: This committee has been pretty amazing thus far. This committee has been the best well ran congressional proceedings and process of my lifetime. And, Republican leadership can take zero credit for it. In fact, they are basically on trial. But, like you said, they ain’t smart. 1 Link to comment
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