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May this be speedy.  May Trump go down in history as the only president to be impeached 2 times and the only one convicted and removed from office

May the federal govt hit him and his co-conspirators with the book and lock them up.  I don't care if they are civilians, ex military, senators or congressmen, president and/or his staff. 

This, like the civil war treason, should never occur again.  We are a country of laws and a people of moral character.  For the sake of history and to send a message to friend and foe alike as well as to

future generations of Americans, The law breakers and the morally deficient  insurrectionists must be punished to uphold the standard that we profess as a country.  :boxosoap

 

 

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It is not unconstitutional, and there is a precedent. These kinds of blatant lies have no place on this board.    

to be fair...trumps lawyers could have sang baby shark for 3 hours and you and the rest of the trumpers would have said the same thing.  

Whataboutism is a magic word used by the hypocrites to deflect attention away from hypocrisy.  It has never worked in it's 4 year history other than to reveal the speaker has no comprehension of Trump

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This needs to be immediate, as in today. Since we know by now that the cabinet is not going to invoke the 25th, action needs to be taken now. We are coming up on 48 hours after the insurrection and less than two weeks before inauguration. This is a matter of national security, and any dilly-dallying only encourages the next rebellion to mount up. 

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2 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

wish it had been done sooner to avoid all this.....pence would have done a better job and avoided this ending.   but i hope george is right and they get this done ASAP.   trump can't hold the keys any longer....not after this.

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Another reason to get him out of office now. Didn't think of this earlier but so very true.  Crazy man wt crazy power equals disaster. 


https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/pelosi-calls-gen-milley-to-block-trump-from-using-nuclear-codes/

Pelosi calls Gen. Milley to block ‘unhinged’ Trump from using nuclear codes

 

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the Pentagon’s top general on Thursday and urged him to add extra precautions to stop what she called an “unhinged” President Trump from using the nuclear codes.

In a long statement, Pelosi said she made the drastic call to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Mark Milley as pressure mounts for Trump to step down or be removed from office via the 25th Amendment after the deadly US Capitol siege.

“This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike,” Pelosi (D-Calif.) wrote.

“The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy,” she wrote.

 

 

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WSJ OPED - they prefer Trump resign and leave office vs putting us through an impeachment process.

 

Myself:  It can't get any worse - impeach him and convict him.  It needs to be on his record and in the history books.  He should be left off the hook that easy. 

Besides, if he resigns, it opens the door for Pence to pardon him.  I'm not sure if Pence could pardon him if he is impeached and convicted.  :dunno

 


https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773

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If Mr. Trump wants to avoid a second impeachment, his best path would be to take personal responsibility and resign. This would be the cleanest solution since it would immediately turn presidential duties over to Mr. Pence. And it would give Mr. Trump agency, a la Richard Nixon, over his own fate.

This might also stem the flood of White House and Cabinet resignations that are understandable as acts of conscience but could leave the government dangerously unmanned. Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, in particular should stay at his post.

We know an act of grace by Mr. Trump isn’t likely. In any case this week has probably finished him as a serious political figure. He has cost Republicans the House, the White House, and now the Senate. Worse, he has betrayed his loyal supporters by lying to them about the election and the ability of Congress and Mr. Pence to overturn it. He has refused to accept the basic bargain of democracy, which is to accept the result, win or lose.

It is best for everyone, himself included, if he goes away quietly.

 

 

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1 minute ago, TGHusker said:

WSJ OPED - they prefer Trump resign and leave office vs putting us through an impeachment process.

 

Myself:  It can't get any worse - impeach him and convict him.  It needs to be on his record and in the history books.  He should be left off the hook that easy. 

Besides, if he resigns, it opens the door for Pence to pardon him.  I'm not sure if Pence could pardon him if he is impeached and convicted.  :dunno

 


https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773

 

Trump go away Quietly?   HAHAHAHAHAHAHa......not going to happen.   he will be rage tweeting till his days are over.   and if he gets blocked on twitter...it will be other social media....parlor, face book. tik tok, trump tv....where ever he can find some where spout off.

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San Fran Nan could move fast and fast track this to the Senate where Moscow Mitch could stop the process.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/house-democrats-impeachment-plans/index.html

 

 

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team are considering a lightning-quick impeachment process if Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet refuse to take unprecedented steps to remove President Donald Trump from office in less than two weeks' time, according to multiple Democratic sources.

The stunning intervention to remove a sitting president would need significant bipartisan support to succeed in the Senate, something Democrats don't have yet. But Pelosi has bluntly warned the White House that the House would impeach Trump for "seditious acts" in inciting riots at the Capitol on Wednesday.
"This is urgent -- this is an emergency of the highest magnitude," the California Democrat told reporters Thursday. "My phone has been exploding with 'impeach, impeach, impeach.' "
Pelosi and her leadership team spoke Thursday night about whether to hold a quick impeachment vote, and the overwhelming sentiment was to move ahead, according to multiple sources. While there were some dissenters concerned that the move could be perceived as an overreach and turn off Trump supporters in their districts, the view among most top Democrats -- including Pelosi -- is that Trump should be held accountable for his actions.
The full Democratic caucus will speak Friday at 12 p.m. ET.
Moving ahead with impeachment, of course, doesn't mean Congress would be able to remove Trump from office. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell could let the clock run out and not hold an impeachment trial in his chamber given that President-elect Joe Biden will be President on January 20.
McConnell, sources said, hasn't spoken to Trump for weeks -- fallout from the Kentucky Republican acknowledging Biden won the presidency in mid-December.
For his part, Biden has no appetite for opening an impeachment proceeding, people familiar with the matter said Thursday night, as he prefers to keep his focus on taking office in less than two weeks. "Impeachment would not help unify this country," a person close to Biden said, who added that "this is a matter to be decided by the Congress." Sources told CNN earlier Thursday the President-elect had no intention of weighing in on the 25th Amendment talks either.
If Pence and the Cabinet don't invoke the 25th Amendment, Democrats have been discussing a process that would allow them to bypass the committee proceedings and move articles of impeachment directly to the floor within two days.
The discussions are expected to intensify Friday, when House Democrats hold their first full-caucus call since the attack on the US Capitol as a growing number of members press for impeachment.
This call, scheduled for noon ET, will be an important moment in terms of what's going to transpire over the next two weeks. While House Democrat after House Democrat has backed a second impeachment, the caucus itself hasn't gathered since the dramatic events transpired. The call will be the first opportunity for lawmakers to talk to leadership about the impeachment issue, the 25th Amendment issue and significant security concerns related to the Capitol.
Indeed, given the tight timeline, it isn't possible to launch a formal impeachment inquiry like in 2019, an arduous undertaking that took several months.
But one option Democrats are exploring: offering articles of impeachment through a privileged resolution. That would allow the chamber to move ahead with a vote to impeach Trump within two days, skip hearings, approving an organizing resolution, an investigation and moving straight to a vote.
Top Democrats in both chambers seem to embrace this approach.
"We don't need a lengthy debate," Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York said Wednesday.
The first step is to draft the resolution, something that multiple Democratic members are now circulating.
The one with the most traction is being drafted by Reps. David Cicilline of Rhode Island, Jamie Raskin of Maryland and Ted Lieu of California -- three members of the House Judiciary Committee. Others have proposed options as well, including Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar.
Rep. Hakeem Jeffries of New York, a member of the House Judiciary Committee and part of his party's leadership, reiterated to CNN that the preferred route is for the Trump administration to invoke the 25th Amendment.
"The sooner the better," Jeffries said of forcing Trump out of office. "It's a weighty constitutional matter to go down the road of impeachment, ultimately some form of a trial, conviction or removal."
Any member could offer a privileged resolution, but it has to be when the House is in session. It cannot be a brief pro forma session when no legislative business is conducted. Right now, the House is not scheduled to be back until January 19, but House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat, has not ruled out bringing the House back into session next week.
Once the resolution is offered, it would automatically be put up for a vote within 48 hours. With majority support, the House would impeach Trump, sending it to the Senate for a trial about whether to remove him from office.
But with so little time left in Trump's presidency, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would essentially be able to run out the clock and avoid a Senate impeachment trial in Trump's remaining few days in office, according to Hill sources.
McConnell declined to comment on the Kentucky Republican's views on invoking the 25th Amendment.
Impeachment wasn't the preferred route going into the day, nor was it considered a likely option for Democratic leaders. But the momentum of members getting behind it creates momentum for something leaders weren't initially planning to pursue.
Given the tight timeline and volatile dynamics, at this point nothing is a sure thing and there's a sense that the dust needs to settle a bit before an actual course of action is laid out.
It's possible for Congress could take steps to make sure that if Trump were impeached, the Senate could make it so he could never be elected to office again. But that still would require the support of two-thirds of the Senate to make that happen.

 

 
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11 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

I’m just glad they are acting on this. TBH, I wasn’t convinced anything would be done.

This is all political posturing. The Repubs still voiced their debunked conspiracy theories in the hours after the attack and will do the same thing they always have - party and power over country and honor.

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58 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

This is all political posturing. The Repubs still voiced their debunked conspiracy theories in the hours after the attack and will do the same thing they always have - party and power over country and honor.

More than likely. Rome wasn't built in a day. But there have been some surprises from the R side in the last few days. I'm guessing having to cower in fear at their place of work may have changed some attitudes. Maybe they'll get enough votes and kick the garbage to the curb.

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11 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Image"Well guys, it's been a long week.  Let's call it good for the day.  We'll take care of this 'threat to national security' on Monday..."

 

Looks like nothing has changed....SMH

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FWIW....they are giving trump the opportunity to quit before monday and save us all the turmoil of another impeachment.    if he doesn't quit they will start the impeachment process.

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