Economy

[BigRedBuster]

 

[BigRedBuster]

https://youtu.be/oKfoj8BFQsY

[BigRedBuster]

 

[ZRod]

@BigRedBuster you're trying to have a reasonable discussion with a person who isn't interested in an honest discussion. It ain't going to work.

[BigRedBuster]

31 minutes ago, ZRod said:

@BigRedBuster you're trying to have a reasonable discussion with a person who isn't interested in an honest discussion. It ain't going to work.

I know. 

[Archy1221]

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

@ZRodusing his own words must be considered unreasonable discourse now 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/uttered-in-2008-still-haunting-obama-074892?_amp=true

 

 

[Archy1221]

56 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I know. 

@ZRodis it honest discussion using his own words about higher gas prices?  If you want to quibble about his preferred rate of increase, feel free to have that “honest discussion “amongst yourselves.  
 

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/press-release-barack-obamas-gradual-adjustment-higher-gas-prices

[Archy1221]

   Chu must not have been having that “honest discussion” ZRod 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/02/chus-europe-gas-quote-haunts-wh-073138?_amp=true

 

or maybe he was.  

[BigRedBuster]

2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

@ZRodusing his own words must be considered unreasonable discourse now 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/uttered-in-2008-still-haunting-obama-074892?_amp=true

 

 

Do you by chance have the video of the entire discussion?  Is there a point where he actually talks about gas prices?

[Lorewarn]

4 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

@ZRodis it honest discussion using his own words about higher gas prices?

 

No, but neither is this:

 

 

  

11 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Obama said he wanted higher gas prices

 

That's your interpretation of what he said. That's not what he actually said. But here is:

 

 

 

Harwood, June 10, 2008: As difficult as this is for consumers right now, is, in fact, high gas prices what we need to let the market work, a line incentive so that we do shift to alternative means of energy?

 

Obama: Well, I think that we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn’t had an energy policy. And as a consequence, we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are. So…

 

Harwood: So could these high prices help us?

 

Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money into their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more quickly, particularly US automakers, then I think ultimately, we can come out of this stronger and have a more efficient energy policy than we do right now.

[Archy1221]

29 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

No, but neither is this:

 

 

  

 

That's your interpretation of what he said. That's not what he actually said. But here is:

 

 

 

 

 

A gradual adjustment…………..higher…….higher gas prices.   Keep in mind, the energy sec he chose, wanted European gas price levels.   I think we can be agree that Obama would not have chosen that person if they were at odds on on energy source so vital to the American public.  

[Lorewarn]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

A gradual adjustment…………..higher…….higher gas prices.  

 

When asked a pointed question and offered as a contrast that leaves so much room for intrepretation.

 

Again, the claim here under dispute is if "Obama said he wanted higher gas prices", exactly what you said. He didn't say that.

 

One step further, your initial claim is that it's part of the dem playbook - ie, that the Dems are actively trying to make it happen. Obama's comments are answers to questions about the state of what is already happening, and certainly are not said at all in a context of being something he's working to do.

[BigRedBuster]

9 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

When asked a pointed question and offered as a contrast that leaves so much room for intrepretation.

 

Again, the claim here under dispute is if "Obama said he wanted higher gas prices", exactly what you said. He didn't say that.

 

One step further, your initial claim is that it's part of the dem playbook - ie, that the Dems are actively trying to make it happen. Obama's comments are answers to questions about the state of what is already happening, and certainly are not said at all in a context of being something he's working to do.

But…but….but….that’s not the Republican talking point. 

[Archy1221]

8 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

One step further, your initial claim is that it's part of the dem playbook - ie, that the Dems are actively trying to make it happen. Obama's comments are answers to questions about the state of what is already happening, and certainly are not said at all in a context of being something he's working to do.

One step further than that is where you missed, glossed over, didn’t see his comment of actively spiking electricity prices because of his cap and trade plan.  
 

Going forward….Energy prices must go up for Dems to implement the green new deal at the very least in the short run to medium run.   So yes, it’s part of their agenda.  

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

But…but….but….that’s not the Republican talking point. 

Correct……correct……correct.   It’s saying out loud what the Dems don’t want to.   

[Lorewarn]

49 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 Correct……correct……correct.   It’s saying out loud what the Dems don’t want to.   

 

 

Your whole asinine premise has been based on Obama saying it out loud.

 

But he hasn't. So which is it? You really can't make up your mind what argument you want to try and make.