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53 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

First, her point is that Texas's governor is falsely blaming the Green New Deal and wind power. Maybe you should address that as it's the main point of what she's saying. 

 

Second, she said "Texas runs 80-90% on fossil fuels". An ERCOT spokesman said that the wind power accounted for less than 13% of the power loss, which is 80-90% not being wind, but she forgot to include nuclear. So while she is not exactly correct, it's a fairly close comment.

 

Between 12 a.m. on Feb. 8 and Feb. 16, wind power plunged 93% while coal increased 47% and gas 450%, according to the EIA. Yet the renewable industry and its media mouthpieces are tarring gas, coal and nuclear because they didn’t operate at 100% of their expected potential during the Arctic blast even though wind turbines failed nearly 100%.

The policy point here is that an electricity grid that depends increasingly on subsidized but unreliable wind and solar needs baseload power to weather surges in demand. Natural gas is crucial but it also isn’t as reliable as nuclear and coal power.

Politicians and regulators don’t want to admit this because they have been taking nuclear and coal plants offline to please the lords of climate change. But the public pays the price when blackouts occur because climate obeisance has made the grid too fragile. We’ve warned about this for years, and here we are.
 

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3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Between 12 a.m. on Feb. 8 and Feb. 16, wind power plunged 93% while coal increased 47% and gas 450%, according to the EIA. Yet the renewable industry and its media mouthpieces are tarring gas, coal and nuclear because they didn’t operate at 100% of their expected potential during the Arctic blast even though wind turbines failed nearly 100%.

The policy point here is that an electricity grid that depends increasingly on subsidized but unreliable wind and solar needs baseload power to weather surges in demand. Natural gas is crucial but it also isn’t as reliable as nuclear and coal power.

Politicians and regulators don’t want to admit this because they have been taking nuclear and coal plants offline to please the lords of climate change. But the public pays the price when blackouts occur because climate obeisance has made the grid too fragile. We’ve warned about this for years, and here we are.
 

You got a source for that quote? (It's against the board rules to post things from other sites without a link.)

 

That quote fails to mention that coal and nuclear also failed in Texas because one of the main issues was with instrumentation not being winterized which affects all power sources.. And that wind turbines will work in much, much colder temps and winter conditions than the ones in Texas like Iowa, Wisconsin, Canada, Sweden, etc.

 

Again, this is a failure of power companies and government in Texas to adequately prepare despite knowing this had happened before and being told it would happen again. Any power source will fail if it's not designed for the conditions it's operating in.

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46 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

You got a source for that quote? (It's against the board rules to post things from other sites without a link.)

 

That quote fails to mention that coal and nuclear also failed in Texas because one of the main issues was with instrumentation not being winterized which affects all power sources.. And that wind turbines will work in much, much colder temps and winter conditions than the ones in Texas like Iowa, Wisconsin, Canada, Sweden, etc.

 

Again, this is a failure of power companies and government in Texas to adequately prepare despite knowing this had happened before and being told it would happen again. Any power source will fail if it's not designed for the conditions it's operating in.

Ya it came from the Wall Street journal link I posted, I thought it was this thread but it’s in the right wing disinformation thread.   https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-spins-into-the-wind-11613605698?mod=opinion_lead_pos1  Here it is for this thread. 

 

The article gets into weatherizing too:)  Hooefully AOC reads it.  

 

The article and I have already agreed with your last paragraph.  

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8 hours ago, TGHusker said:

This kind of fits the topic. One of the original founders of Wikipedia says it is too far gone as the web site is too soft on communism and whitewashes over its dark history 
 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wikipedia-bias-socialism-pages-whitewashed

Even in school, the Commie topic is way different now.  I think just because we are so far removed from "The Cold War", s#!t go back to the 80's and early 90's, they were still making TV movies about "Nukes" and Soviet Spies and American boxers fighting a giant Russian boxer that used roids.

 

In school now, it sort of gets glossed over a bit.  I showed Miracle a few years back and explaining what a big deal that was to the class was like trying to explain why the movie Swingers was funny.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Even in school, the Commie topic is way different now.  I think just because we are so far removed from "The Cold War", s#!t go back to the 80's and early 90's, they were still making TV movies about "Nukes" and Soviet Spies and American boxers fighting a giant Russian boxer that used roids.

 

In school now, it sort of gets glossed over a bit.  I showed Miracle a few years back and explaining what a big deal that was to the class was like trying to explain why the movie Swingers was funny.

 

 

I think the only way to explain it is to compare it (the fear of communism,  nukes and the Soviet threat) to 9/11.  That is how I explained it to my sons who now are in their mid 30s and also turning 40.  They were students when 9/11 occurred.  But even that is losing its sting as almost 20 years has passed.  For kids you are teaching, 9/11 did not affect them - they grew up in the age of the latest Iphone, etc.  No real threats from the outside.

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4 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I think the only way to explain it is to compare it (the fear of communism,  nukes and the Soviet threat) to 9/11.  That is how I explained it to my sons who now are in their mid 30s and also turning 40.  They were students when 9/11 occurred.  But even that is losing its sting as almost 20 years has passed.  For kids you are teaching, 9/11 did not affect them - they grew up in the age of the latest Iphone, etc.  No real threats from the outside.

Yep!

 

The biggest concern I hear from them is most (not all) want maskeless prom, graduation and graduation parties. 

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When it comes to tweeting, you can't have it both ways - for both parties.

 

The Dems attack Trump for all of his nasty tweets and rightly so, but Joe nominates someone for the cabinet post of  Sec for Office of Mgmt and Budget  who is known for

'nasty tweets'.

 

On the flip side, GOPers attacking the nominee because of those tweets but were quiet in regards to Trump's - with the exception of  Romney and possibly Collins who are  speaking out  against the nominee were also critical of Trump's tweets. And also Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin is being consistent as well, speaking out against the nominee for the same reasons.

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/neera-tandens-nomination-to-head-white-house-budget-office-in-peril-as-collins-romney-say-they-will-vote-against-her-163506839.html


 

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The nomination of Neera Tanden to head the powerful Office of Management and Budget appears increasingly imperiled, with Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Mitt Romney and Utah, both Republicans, announcing on Monday morning that they would vote against the nominee.

The growing opposition has less to do with Tanden’s liberal outlook than her avid Twitter use. And it comes after a four-year debate about whether then-President Donald Trump’s tweets were to be treated as a distraction, a provocation or his way of announcing policy.


 

Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a centrist Democrat, had earlier indicated that he too would vote against Tanden. Manchin cited Tanden’s tweets as a major reason to vote against her.

Those developments leave little wiggle room in an evenly divided Senate and could make Tanden — who heads the liberal Center for American Progress and is a longtime Clinton ally — the first failed Biden Cabinet nomination.

At issue is Tanden’s storied legacy of incendiary tweets, which have frequently criticized and mocked Trump, congressional Republicans and progressives like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. In doing so, her tweets have complicated the new administration’s stated goal of returning Washington to pre-Trumpian norms of civility.

“Sen. Romney has been critical of extreme rhetoric from prior nominees, and this is consistent with that position,” the senator’s press secretary, Arielle Mueller, told Yahoo News. “He believes it’s hard to return to comity and respect with a nominee who has issued a thousand mean tweets.”

 

 

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On 2/19/2021 at 6:07 PM, RedDenver said:

Come on, I was a submariner. I've even seen that movie while traversing beneath a hurricane.

I have an absolute total new level of respect for you.  I could be in a number of different areas of the military.  I don't know if I could do a submarine underwater for that long.  I've toured one and I'm not even a claustrophobic person.  

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