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It's hypocritical to call out hypocrisy if you're a hypocrite yourself.   Did I just blow your mind? 

Threads get derailed with Whataboutism and charges of Hypocrisy all day long.  As a result the core of the thread issue is bypassed, excused and the discussion digresses into finger pointing. To

It does Seems pretty hypocritical for those Congressmen/women to complain about proxy voting then turning right around and doing it to attend a conference.  I’m sure they could have worked out a zoom

14 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I have an absolute total new level of respect for you.  I could be in a number of different areas of the military.  I don't know if I could do a submarine underwater for that long.  I've toured one and I'm not even a claustrophobic person.  

Agreed. I've toured one also - no way.   But Hunt for Red October, K19 and U-571 were great movies. 

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34 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I have an absolute total new level of respect for you.  I could be in a number of different areas of the military.  I don't know if I could do a submarine underwater for that long.  I've toured one and I'm not even a claustrophobic person.  

 

19 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Agreed. I've toured one also - no way.   But Hunt for Red October, K19 and U-571 were great movies. 

Submarine service is all-volunteer so nobody who is claustrophobic would sign up.

 

The real problem is cabin fever after not seeing the sun for months and dealing with the exact same people everyday.

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3 hours ago, RedDenver said:

 

Submarine service is all-volunteer so nobody who is claustrophobic would sign up.

 

The real problem is cabin fever after not seeing the sun for months and dealing with the exact same people everyday.

Does sleeping in the sub beds suck or can you fall asleep easy?

 

 

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This is rich

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/23/ted-cruz-press-cancun-trip-texas-freeze

 

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The main lesson from the scandal over his flight to Cancún while Texas froze, Senator Ted Cruz said on Tuesday, is that people should not be “a$$h@!es”, and should treat each other with respect.

The Texas Republican, who ran for the presidential nomination in 2016, is known for his caustic and brutal attacks on Democrats and willingness to buck even the appearance of bipartisan cooperation in the Senate in order to achieve his own goals, even by causing a government shutdown.

He was speaking, without discernible irony, today on Ruthless, a podcast which offers “next-generation conservative talk”.

The subject at hand was Cruz’s decision to take his family to warmer climes while his state shivered, and the decision thereafter of an unknown friend to leak the senator’s wife’s text messages to the press.

 

 

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On 2/22/2021 at 6:41 PM, teachercd said:

Does sleeping in the sub beds suck or can you fall asleep easy?

It sucks, but like anything else you get used to it. Plus sleep was at a premium since we had 18-hour days (3 6-hour shifts) where you usually had 5 hours to sleep and we ran drills several times a week that messed up the shift rotation because everyone had to be up. I got really good at staying up for 24 hours and being able to sleep anywhere at any time. (5 minute naps wedged between everyone else waiting for the next drill to start are the best worst things ever.)

 

Anyway, I'll stop derailing the thread.

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Axios points out some political hypocrisy     GOP members who oppose proxy voting - went to CPAC and then voted by... proxy.

Think of the bigger picture.  They oppose the mass mail in voting vs in person voting during the pandemic,  yet it is ok for them to do so in Congress so they could attend CPAC.

 

 

 

https://www.axios.com/republicans-ditch-congress-cpac-covid-vote-37b7aa48-3e42-4da5-84a7-3363b1162fb7.html

 

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CPAC proved such a draw, conservative Republicans chose the conference over their constituents.

Why it matters: More than a dozen House Republicans voted by proxy on the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill in Washington so they could speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference, known as CPAC. And Sen. Ted Cruz chose to be there instead of his hometown of Houston when President Biden visited to survey storm damage.

  • The proxy votes were particularly strident, given the GOP sued to stop the practice when Democrats created it to allow safe voting during the coronavirus pandemic.
  • And Cruz's visit to Florida — which, he joked, wasn't as nice as his much-maligned trip to Cancún — cost him the same facetime that Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) got when he greeted and accompanied the president in Texas.
  • White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Friday: "There was neither an invitation nor a request for (Cruz) to attend. There are a number of members of both parties attending and joining the president on the trip."
  • Cruz's office did not offer immediate comment but added later: "Sen. Cruz was was not invited but remains in close contact with state and local officials and is focused on helping ensure there is a full federal response to these storms."

The big picture: CPAC attracted a bevy of Republicans across four days, some simply looking for the party limelight and others positioning themselves for the 2024 presidential campaign.

  • All had to tread the fine line between advancing their own interests and paying homage to former President Trump, who delivered Sunday's closing address.
  • The lure of thousands of attendees — and near gavel-to-gavel coverage on Fox News — prompted some to put their personal politics ahead of constituent responsibilities.

At least 13 Republicans in Congress who were scheduled to speak at CPAC requested colleagues cast their votes by proxy — a voting procedure allowing House members to vote remotely during the pandemic.

  • Reps. Ted Budd and Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina and Matt Gaetz and Greg Steube of Florida, who were all scheduled to speak at the conference Friday, requested colleagues to vote on their behalf.
  • "I am unable to physically attend proceedings in the House Chamber due to the ongoing public health emergency, and I hereby grant the authority to cast my vote by proxy to the Honorable Scott Franklin (FL-15), who has agreed to serve as my proxy," Gaetz wrote in his explanatory letter.
  • Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana, Paul Gosar of Arizona, Mark Green of Tennessee, Darrell Issa and Devin Nunes of California, Ronny Jackson of Texas, Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, Ralph Norman of South Carolina and Lauren Boebert of Colorado all voted by proxy after being listed as scheduled speakers, CNN reported.
  • A spokesperson for Budd told Yahoo News the congressman still opposes the procedure but was forced to use it because "Democrats rearranged the House schedule with extremely late notice." Budd also donated his day's salary to the North Carolina Restaurant Workers Relief Fund, the spokesperson said.

Background: Republicans have been the leading critics of proxy voting, despite their embrace of it over the last few days.

  • Last May, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), 20 other House Republicans and four constituents filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of proxy voting. It was dismissed, but McCarthy filed an appeal.
  • The same day, House Republican Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) urged his conference to forgo proxy voting if members couldn't appear for an in-person vote.
  • “They are encouraged to submit their vote positions for the Congressional Record rather than utilizing the Democrats’ proxy voting scheme,” he wrote.
  • More than a dozen Republicans did not vote on May 27, including Rep. Don Young, effectively disenfranchising the entire state of Alaska. Overall, more than 9 million constituents were not represented on a vote to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.

Republicans aren't alone in some questionable uses of the procedure.

  • Democratic Reps. Charlie Crist and Darren Soto of Florida attended a rocket launch in their home state after requesting to vote by proxy last Congress.
  • While the launch was canceled due to inclement weather, McCarthy blasted the two by posting a copy of their proxy letter next to the photos of Crist and Soto at the event.

 

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40 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Axios points out some political hypocrisy     GOP members who oppose proxy voting - went to CPAC and then voted by... proxy.

Think of the bigger picture.  They oppose the mass mail in voting vs in person voting during the pandemic,  yet it is ok for them to do so in Congress so they could attend CPAC.

 

 

 

https://www.axios.com/republicans-ditch-congress-cpac-covid-vote-37b7aa48-3e42-4da5-84a7-3363b1162fb7.html

 

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It does Seems pretty hypocritical for those Congressmen/women to complain about proxy voting then turning right around and doing it to attend a conference.  I’m sure they could have worked out a zoom speech or pre-recorded speech if they were supposed to attend CPAC.  
 

Wish all of them would do their day job before going to political events or fundraising events.  

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4 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

It does Seems pretty hypocritical for those Congressmen/women to complain about proxy voting then turning right around and doing it to attend a conference.  I’m sure they could have worked out a zoom speech or pre-recorded speech if they were supposed to attend CPAC.  
 

Wish all of them would do their day job before going to political events or fundraising events.  

:yeahSee —I knew we can agree on some things

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44 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:


 

Large media orgs have been doing this for decades.  Stelter is awful at his job. 

yes it is a revolving door  -  If your party is in - you have a spot in the admin.  If your party is out - you are either at a think tank or a talking head.

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