teachercd Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What do you think they say? My guess, he gets the manslaughter charge and 10 years. They have taken a long time in the jury room so I feel like some haggling was going on. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This is actually pretty quick in the jury room. They did next to no deliberation for trying to come to a consensus on three different charges. I'm guessing this means conviction. That's most often the case when the jury deliberates for such a short time. Link to comment
teachercd Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, knapplc said: This is actually pretty quick in the jury room. They did next to no deliberation for trying to come to a consensus on three different charges. I'm guessing this means conviction. That's most often the case when the jury deliberates for such a short time. Yeah, maybe. There will be at least one guilty charge for sure. Link to comment
ZRod Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I didn't watch the case, but of all the videos I've seen he's not guilty of murder. I do think he is guilty of manslaughter. He was reckless and excessive. I don't think the intent of kneeling was ever to kill, but it was to cause pain or discomfort, and it was definitely excessive. He even ignored please from the victim, who was already restrained in handcuffs. 2 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'm thinking guilty of all charges Link to comment
teachercd Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, ZRod said: I didn't watch the case, but of all the videos I've seen he's not guilty of murder. I do think he is guilty of manslaughter. He was reckless and excessive. I don't think the intent of kneeling was ever to kill, but it was to cause pain or discomfort, and it was definitely excessive. He even ignored please from the victim, who was already restrained in handcuffs. Was the case on TV? Last time I saw a live case was Mark Chumara (Packers TE) who was on trial for touching a HS girl in a hot tub. Link to comment
Scarlet Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, teachercd said: Was the case on TV? Last time I saw a live case was Mark Chumara (Packers TE) who was on trial for touching a HS girl in a hot tub. Bro have you been working or something? Link to comment
ZRod Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scarlet said: I'm thinking guilty of all charges I really don't think a conviction for murder would ever hold up under appeal. But I know that people will riot and protest if he's not found guilty on all chargers. Which is messed up... 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 You may not be able to prove intent to kill, but the apparent disregard for whether Floyd lived or died, and the amount of time spent lifeless under the knee strikes me as another degree beyond manslaughter. Another way of looking at it: people guilty of manslaughter don't often have time to weigh the unfolding consequences and correct their reckless/dangerous actions, hence the lesser charge. Chauvin had 9 and a half minutes, with his own safety never in question. 2 Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: You may not be able to prove intent to kill, but the apparent disregard for whether Floyd lived or died, and the amount of time spent lifeless under the knee strikes me as another degree beyond manslaughter. Another way of looking at it: people guilty of manslaughter don't often have time to weigh the unfolding consequences and correct their reckless/dangerous actions, hence the lesser charge. Chauvin had 9 and a half minutes, with his own safety never in question. Beyond that, because even after he finally removed his knee, neither he nor any of the other officers attempted CPR. I think there's a pretty strong case for murder here. 3 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, ZRod said: I didn't watch the case, but of all the videos I've seen he's not guilty of murder. I do think he is guilty of manslaughter. He was reckless and excessive. I don't think the intent of kneeling was ever to kill, but it was to cause pain or discomfort, and it was definitely excessive. He even ignored please from the victim, who was already restrained in handcuffs. Third degree murder which only four states have, MN being one, does not require intent. Link to comment
Enhance Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Scarlet said: I'm thinking guilty of all charges Yep - historically speaking, fast jury deliberations in cases like this almost always mean a guilty verdict. Link to comment
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