Scott Frost's fate under new AD

[FrantzHardySwag]

4 minutes ago, hagg said:

 

It's just that there is a sort of "former coach culture" that is quite real in the practice attitudes, the gym habits, and the overall relationships between players and their coaches.  I even saw it in the military going from one base to another;  same army, different cultures.  And when an NCO from one area was assigned to his next duty station, often there would be adjustments in that soldier's mind and attitude.  Scott Frost brought tough, straightforward attitudes with him, and was met with a lot of pu&&yfooting around and apparently even strangely not-on-board attitudes that flabergasted him and even visiting old Huskers. 

 

That's a difficult assignment, to say the least.

Riley was an average coach, and left Frost with a bare cupboard. But people way over exaggerate how hard it is to get back to 6-7 wins and a bowl. Hell Penn St won 7+ games every year since getting the modern day equivalent of the death penalty (up until this past season). Good coaches can navigate these things. Pretty obvious Frost didn’t come in with the chops to turn it around quick, now we’re all hoping he has the chops to turn it around at all. 

[Huskers93-97]

Just now, FrantzHardySwag said:

Riley was an average coach, and left Frost with a bare cupboard. But people way over exaggerate how hard it is to get back to 6-7 wins and a bowl. Hell Penn St won 7+ games every year since getting the modern day equivalent of the death penalty (up until this past season). Good coaches can navigate these things. Pretty obvious Frost didn’t come in with the chops to turn it around quick, now we’re all hoping he has the chops to turn it around at all. 

From the athletic. We are #7 in the country for having the biggest disparity between recruiting rankings and on field results since 2017. We are the only blue blood on this list. Florida State and Tennessee are borderline.

 

Underachievers: Power 5

	TEAM	RANK	247	+/-
1	Arkansas	103	30	-73
2	Rutgers	112	54	-58
3	Florida State	61	5	-56
4	Maryland	87	32	-55
5	UCLA	71	16	-55
6	Illinois	108	55	-53
7	Nebraska	76	25	-51
8	Tennessee	62	13	-49
9	Vanderbilt	99	51	-48
10	Kansas	117	70	-47

Well, there it is. The Power 5 programs that are doing less with more since 2017. If your favorite team made this list, you can’t act too surprised. The common theme among the top 10 is fairly obvious, too. Each program has gone through at least one head coaching change since 2017, and a few have experienced multiple firings.

[Husker in WI]

2 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

From the athletic. We are #7 in the country for having the biggest disparity between recruiting rankings and on field results since 2017. We are the only blue blood on this list. Florida State and Tennessee are borderline.

 

Underachievers: Power 5

	TEAM	RANK	247	+/-
1	Arkansas	103	30	-73
2	Rutgers	112	54	-58
3	Florida State	61	5	-56
4	Maryland	87	32	-55
5	UCLA	71	16	-55
6	Illinois	108	55	-53
7	Nebraska	76	25	-51
8	Tennessee	62	13	-49
9	Vanderbilt	99	51	-48
10	Kansas	117	70	-47

Well, there it is. The Power 5 programs that are doing less with more since 2017. If your favorite team made this list, you can’t act too surprised. The common theme among the top 10 is fairly obvious, too. Each program has gone through at least one head coaching change since 2017, and a few have experienced multiple firings.

 

This doesn't account for all the departures. Which falls on the coaches' shoulders as well, but losing talented players is different than underachieving with the talent you have. 

[Huskers93-97]

1 minute ago, Husker in WI said:

 

This doesn't account for all the departures. Which falls on the coaches' shoulders as well, but losing talented players is different than underachieving with the talent you have. 

I get it. But everyone deals with departures. Its not exclusive to Nebraska. The transfer portal is hurting every P5 team in America. So since all teams are dealing with the same issues. That just sounds like an excuse to me.

[Mavric]

1 minute ago, Huskers93-97 said:

I get it. But everyone deals with departures. Its not exclusive to Nebraska. The transfer portal is hurting every P5 team in America. So since all teams are dealing with the same issues. That just sounds like an excuse to me.

 

Just because everyone deals with it doesn't mean it's to the same degree and/or affects everyone the same.

 

The only difference between excuses and reasons is whether someone wants it to be true or not.

 

 

[Husker in WI]

1 minute ago, Huskers93-97 said:

I get it. But everyone deals with departures. Its not exclusive to Nebraska. The transfer portal is hurting every P5 team in America. So since all teams are dealing with the same issues. That just sounds like an excuse to me.

 

I think more of the issue for Nebraska specifically is the earlier classes, the portal has definitely exploded and leveled out some of that. I was actually pretty much going to say what Mavric said about reasons/excuses but he said it better. We have not had the 25th most talented group of players available to play, so I don't think the underachieving has been as drastic as those numbers claim. 

 

Overall I do blame the coaches for some of their choices in recruiting, but hindsight is 20/20 and some things were beyond their control. Turns out 2020 was the worst possible year to go all-in on Florida, they couldn't have known that. They absolutely could have avoided wasting scholarships on borderline guys and character risks though. And probably would have in 18/19 if they knew the portal would make it easier to bring in contributors, and that everyone would get a free year in 20.

[BigRedBuster]

42 minutes ago, hagg said:

wants fair catches on kickoffs (like a scared b!^@h),

Do you realize the rules changes that make this a smart move?

[Dr. Strangelove]

40 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Riley was an average coach, and left Frost with a bare cupboard. But people way over exaggerate how hard it is to get back to 6-7 wins and a bowl. Hell Penn St won 7+ games every year since getting the modern day equivalent of the death penalty (up until this past season). Good coaches can navigate these things. Pretty obvious Frost didn’t come in with the chops to turn it around quick, now we’re all hoping he has the chops to turn it around at all. 

He inherited a roster without much depth, but at the same time inherited the only standout players. JD Spielman, Stanley Morgan and Ozigbo all did well in year 1 and Frost is yet to find replacements for any of those players.

 

So while it's true the roster was flawed, he also inherited his best players thus far.

[TheSker]

49 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

He inherited a roster without much depth, but at the same time inherited the only standout players. JD Spielman, Stanley Morgan and Ozigbo all did well in year 1 and Frost is yet to find replacements for any of those players.

 

So while it's true the roster was flawed, he also inherited his best players thus far.

The last Mike Riley's coached team got destroyed by 100 points over the last 4 games.

 

But yeah, let's talk about what Frost hasn't replaced yet.....

[Dr. Strangelove]

3 minutes ago, TheSker said:

The last Mike Riley's coached team got destroyed by 100 points over the last 4 games.

 

But yeah, let's talk about what Frost hasn't replaced yet.....

And Frost got blown out by a bad Illinois team and lost to Minnesota when they where missing THIRTY FIVE (35) scholarship players.

 

But yeah, let's blame it all on Riley. 

[Hagg]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Do you realize the rules changes that make this a smart move?

 

You quoted somebody else and attributed it to me.  I did include that person's whole quote in my response, but in no way highlighted that portion.  Not sure I agree with either of your takes on that aspect of what we're talking about.

[TheSker]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

And Frost got blown out by a bad Illinois team and lost to Minnesota when they where missing THIRTY FIVE (35) scholarship players.

 

But yeah, let's blame it all on Riley. 

Frost is going to have a few bad losses trying to build a roster that has talent across the board to compete in the B1G.

[Undone]

I think regarding Sam McKewon's quote here:

 

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"...but let me say this: Nebraska has been within one drive, the last 3 years, of the No. 8 team in the country [Iowa] over that time."

 

I hear what he's saying. It's way better than some of the blowouts we experienced to Iowa in 2016 (40-10) and in 2017 (56-14), but I believe we generally lose these close games because Frost just isn't getting fundamentals and special teams nailed down.

 

When your team is continually not performing well in the area of fundamentals, turnovers, and special teams you are not really at that "close" at all, in my opinion.

[Huskers93-97]

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

The only difference between excuses and reasons is whether someone wants it to be true or not.

That could be true. Which I think sometimes what side of the fence(excuses vs reasons) you are on depends on what your expectation was. I think many expected Frost to come in and be this generational coach. We heard how we was the next Nick Saban etc. So I think when that kind of hope and expectation gets put out there people obviously have high standards. Now a coach of the caliber of Saban, Meyer and those generational coaches would turn things around quicker, they would have bad s#!t happen and over come it. Frost has not overcome most of these issues. So perhaps it may just be true that Frost may turn out to be a good coach- but he is probably not the next Osborne, Saban type of guy we hoped we were getting. I hope this is the year that turns it all around and we get on the right path with a projection towards future conference championships and national championships. 

 

I think sometimes it is easier to accept things as a reason vs an excuse if you are a proven coach and winner. It is more believeable because you have seen them succeed and overcome things. Frost is not proven as a head coach so they sound more like excuses. After this year if it is more of the same I hope those of you who side with reason start to see they may be excuses.

[Dr. Strangelove]

7 minutes ago, TheSker said:

Frost is going to have a few bad losses trying to build a roster that has talent across the board to compete in the B1G.

It doesn't take 3 years to not get blown out by an Illinois team who later fired their coach. Or to be competitive against a Minnesota team down 35 players. 

 

Or develop a single high school Running back. Or a single high school receiver. 

 

The bad losses are not just "a few", it is many. He's also recruiting mediocre players and has no history of developing them. 

 

Again, if any other coach other than Frost complied his resume, they'd be gone by now. Frost is not only getting a pass, he's being allowed to fail by fans and the administration.