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On 9/19/2021 at 5:32 PM, GlobalHusker said:

Disclaimer:  Kinda emotional post:

 

Mojo, karma, luck or whatever makes it feel like we’re just destined to lose.
 

We have the potential to be so much better with who we already have on the team, but can’t make ‘The’ play. 2 lame duck passes should have been INTs weren’t. One almost great play by Braxton, but couldn’t pull it in. And we just make it worse because Penalties all over the place on the most successful drives that we have or occur at the start of a drive.

 

Refs don’t catch all of them, but it sure feels like they catch them when we do something. Where are the calls on the other team when they score on us? lol 
 

I’m waiting for plays like Frost to Davison to win the game vs Mizzou. A play like that never happens for us now. I don’t think that’s due to coaching or talent.

As a lifelong Cubs fan, I can guarantee you one thing: Nebraska doesn't have bad luck. Being competitive and winning championships comes down to your leadership, coaches and players.

 

You can fix S&C, which it looks like they've done. You can recruit good talent, which it looks like they've done. But, all the stuff that they're struggling with right now in year four (mental errors, lack of development in key position groups, penalties) mostly comes down to coaching.

 

I think Damon Benning said it best this morning: if you can't fix the problems ailing your program, then you're either unknowing, unwilling or incapable. Eventually, time runs out on those folks.

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12 hours ago, Enhance said:

 

 

You can fix S&C, which it looks like they've done. You can recruit good talent, which it looks like they've done. But, all the stuff that they're struggling with right now in year four (mental errors, lack of development in key position groups, penalties) mostly comes down to coaching.

 

I think Damon Benning said it best this morning: if you can't fix the problems ailing your program, then you're either unknowing, unwilling or incapable. Eventually, time runs out on those folks.

 

Teams that consistently beat themselves like you said aren't "victims" of bad luck over the long haul. They are only "victims" of poor coaching. Damon is spot on, it is what it is. I hope SF makes it, I like the guy- but he has to humble himself and commit to improving/modifying his approach to culture, managing, practicing, playcalling and hes got to dump Austin and Verduzco this offseason. If it was anyone other than SF- I would be calling for him to be fired.  

 

Now I watch a lot of different HS games- all over the place, different classes etc. I like to get down close and watch them practice before the games. Taking talent completely out of it just by watching a team practice and watching the coaching- you can tell which teams are well coached and which aren't- then easy to predict who the winner will be based solely on that. It's rarely wrong. 

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The Huskers must now finish 5-2 for Frost to have his first winning season in 4 years.  Looking at the remaining games, its doubtful this team can get to a winning season which should be the end for Frost. I mean, if we fire Pelini who never had a losing season, and Mike Riley who finished .500 in his tenure, there is no reason Frost should be retained based upon results. 

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44 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

The Huskers must now finish 5-2 for Frost to have his first winning season in 4 years.  Looking at the remaining games, its doubtful this team can get to a winning season which should be the end for Frost. I mean, if we fire Pelini who never had a losing season, and Mike Riley who finished .500 in his tenure, there is no reason Frost should be retained based upon results. 

I agree with this. Unfortunately Frost has not worked out. And what baffles me is that his calling card high octane adjust to us offense is terrible. If we were having success on offense but still losing some shootouts I could live with that because he would have established an identity and we could improve the defense. But where are the dynamic players on offense like Oregon and UCF had? Wandale may have been the only one. We were to be a football factory in that regard but I’d argue we have not seen any! Why keep him if he can’t deliver on these type of dynamic players that are needed for his offense? But under his tenure the defense has improved yet the offense has regressed. Our RB’s are small but don’t have the extra gear you need for a back like this. The OL is awful and all the penalties are abysmal. There’s some skill players that can make a play once in awhile but no different from other teams that are mostly irrelevant. It’s basically backyard football with AM and that is shocking to me that this offense has done that now for 4 years. Lack of accountability, no attention to detail or mental focus, special teams that are the worst in CFB, yep it’s time to go if we end up with something like 4 wins. 
 

My hire would be Bob Stoops. Immediate national relevance and every recruit within a 500 mile radius would take notice. The OL and running game would be vastly different. Staff would be other prominent coaches like you now see with elite programs. This is an X factor which we have never focused on. Stoops gets us to 7-8 wins, back to bowling, and we build from there. 

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40 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

We need a big-name hire, someone who elite recruits will come to play for. Stoops is a top choice in that regard. Chris Petersen is another. I'm intrigued by the offensive schemes run by Jamey Chadwell and Troy Calhoun. I like Corey Raymond and Zac Taylor also.


Stoops is happily retired. Chris Petersen stepped away from coaching because it started to weigh on him. Zac Taylor might be the first NFL head coach to be fired this season.

 

I do think we need some elite recruiters though but we need an elite head coach. You do need a big name. I like Gus Malzahn.

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I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and hear them out. So when I see a bunch of posters say, "we should fire Scott Frost", I'm like, "okay go on, entertain that thought process". Then they spew out names like Chris Peterson or Stoops or Malzahn. Then I'm like, "Oh, I guess they must be joking". Because there's no damn way any of those guys are coming here. In fact usually the names that are spewed out, 95% of those guys aren't coming to Nebraska. 

Here's the truth. Nebraska fires Scott Frost after this year, I truly believe Nebraska ends up with Mike Riley 2.0 and the circus starts all over again. 

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4 minutes ago, NebraskaHarry said:

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and hear them out. So when I see a bunch of posters say, "we should fire Scott Frost", I'm like, "okay go on, entertain that thought process". Then they spew out names like Chris Peterson or Stoops or Malzahn. Then I'm like, "Oh, I guess they must be joking". Because there's no damn way any of those guys are coming here. In fact usually the names that are spewed out, 95% of those guys aren't coming to Nebraska. 

Here's the truth. Nebraska fires Scott Frost after this year, I truly believe Nebraska ends up with Mike Riley 2.0 and the circus starts all over again. 


But it doesn’t have to be that way. Programs fire coaches all the time when it’s not trending in the right direction. USC is in the same boat as us. Sounds like they might hire Eric Bieniemy. That’s a splash hire. Money talks. NU can hire anyone they want. Maybe Urban Meyer quits Jacksonville and he falls in our lap (lol).

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1 minute ago, FTW said:


But it doesn’t have to be that way. Programs fire coaches all the time when it’s not trending in the right direction. USC is in the same boat as us. Sounds like they might hire Eric Bieniemy. That’s a splash hire. Money talks. NU can hire anyone they want. Maybe Urban Meyer quits Jacksonville and he falls in our lap (lol).

Yeah, programs fire coaches all the time. That's true. But is firing Frost really the right decision? I look at next years schedule and frankly, Frost could win 10 of those games based on what I've seen from the defense and if he can improve the o-line and special teams even a little bit. Like just making those two areas even average, the team could be pretty good. Frost has pressure on him no doubt, but I wouldn't fire him. I think that could be a terrible mistake. But that's just my humble opinion as some internet nobody. 

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6 minutes ago, FTW said:


But it doesn’t have to be that way. Programs fire coaches all the time when it’s not trending in the right direction. USC is in the same boat as us. Sounds like they might hire Eric Bieniemy. That’s a splash hire. Money talks. NU can hire anyone they want. Maybe Urban Meyer quits Jacksonville and he falls in our lap (lol).

This is where I'm at. Should a decision be made to move on from the current staff, Nebraska will absolutely be able to get a quality head coach and staff. They will just have to open the pocketbook (Probably overpaying but getting it right will pay itself back) and for the right price most will listen, just up to the brass to make it happen. They'd have new facilities, a massive yet passionate fanbase and a division that you'll be able out recruit most year; With the notion that they'd earn of lot of a goodwill if said coach won that same division, which you don't have to be spectacular to do so - If we were better coached we'd possibly be a top 15 team right now with a distinct possibility to win the West.

 

We ended up with Mike Riley because the administration tied itself to MR out the gate to be an anti Pelini.....and our AD was an idiot. 

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56 minutes ago, FTW said:


Stoops is happily retired. Chris Petersen stepped away from coaching because it started to weigh on him. Zac Taylor might be the first NFL head coach to be fired this season.

 

I do think we need some elite recruiters though but we need an elite head coach. You do need a big name. I like Gus Malzahn.

 

I'm not so certain that either of them are done permanently. And just because Taylor couldn't cut it as a pro coach doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't do well in the college ranks.

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3 minutes ago, chamrocck said:

People thought Urban Meyer was out of football twice and he ended up coaching at OSU and now Jacksonville. Stoops is a game changer for the program. You arguably have one of the top 5 coaches in the country and maybe the best in your region, certainly the best in your division.

 

Exactly... back when we were looking for a new coach (I think when we hired Riley) I suggested going after Petersen and people mocked me and said, "He'll never leave Boise."

 

Unless we have a total collapse though, I think Frost will be given another year... however, I do think he'll be forced to make some coordinator changes. Question is, who would want to come here, knowing it's possibly a one-year gig?

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