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[soup]

Man you are a LOT of fun to be around.  With fans like you why do we even bother?

[alexhortdog95]

4 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

You don't have to be constantly looking back for the ball for it to be a good, legal route. You don't even have to avoid contact - you just can't seek it out. You want to see OPI, watch Minnesota's TE in the slot on this play. This wasn't called, and was pretty big in keeping Minnesota in this game. 

 

 

You do know that with your example, blocking like that downfield is legal because the pass is behind the line of scrimmage, right?

 

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

11 hours ago, Hilltop said:

I guess you and I don't agree what progress is.  Our defense is playing at a pretty elite level and honestly has for most of last year and the first 3 games this year.  They look even better this year because our other teams are placing them in better positions so far and we have played much weaker teams.

 

The offense had a long, long ways to go to catch up to the D's level.  In my opinion they have closed that gap some.  That's progress imo.  Hopefully it continues as our competition level increases.

 

I disagree. They have been playing pretty well, but let's not forget their 3Q meltdown vs. Illinois, who has proven to be a poor team.

 

 

2 hours ago, soup said:

Man you are a LOT of fun to be around.  With fans like you why do we even bother?

 

Can't be sunshine and roses all the time. Nothing wrong with warranted criticism.

[BigRedBuster]

14 hours ago, Nebraska55fan said:

It doesn't matter-

 

Play 3: A1 and B2 are beyond the neutral zone, attempting to catch a legal forward pass intended for A1. A3, who is on the opposite side of the field, blocks B4 downfield. Ruling 3: A3 is guilty of offensive pass interference. Note it would be a foul under both codes whether it occurred before or after the legal forward pass crossed the line and, in NCAA, even if the pass to A1 was uncatchable. 

 

https://caaf.cz/upload/zebri/docs/UltimatePI.pdf

Ok. Please tell me how these defenders were blocked?

 

 

[Nebraska55fan]

41 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Ok. Please tell me how these defenders were blocked?

 

 

You can see right? Two receivers clearly run into defenders, the one at the lower part of the screen even drops his hips a bit before making contact. Thank you for posting the evidence.  

 

Again- when you are coaching and trying to avoid penalties you are coaching to the PERCEPTION of the referees. This is clearly a situation where two receivers make contact with defenders without appearing to be eligible receivers. All's the receivers  had to do was avoid contact and look back at the QB. Just because we want that play to be a TD doesn't mean we have to ignore the rule, which clearly states you can not make that kind of contact 1 yard past the line of scrimmage on pass plays beyond the line of scrimmage. 

 

It really is a simple fix and most teams coach the details so that most- 95% plus, don't get flagged for offensive pass interference on plays like this. 

 

Its sad that NU fans blame referees these days so much for so many of our problems. We are becoming the laughing stock of the league because of stuff like this. Complain about legit mistakes- not one like this- where most referees and coaches would agree was called correctly by the book., 

[BigRedBuster]

32 minutes ago, Nebraska55fan said:

You can see right? Two receivers clearly run into defenders, the one at the lower part of the screen even drops his hips a bit before making contact. Thank you for posting the evidence.  

 

Again- when you are coaching and trying to avoid penalties you are coaching to the PERCEPTION of the referees. This is clearly a situation where two receivers make contact with defenders without appearing to be eligible receivers. All's the receivers  had to do was avoid contact and look back at the QB. Just because we want that play to be a TD doesn't mean we have to ignore the rule, which clearly states you can not make that kind of contact 1 yard past the line of scrimmage on pass plays beyond the line of scrimmage. 

 

It really is a simple fix and most teams coach the details so that most- 95% plus, don't get flagged for offensive pass interference on plays like this. 

 

Its sad that NU fans blame referees these days so much for so many of our problems. We are becoming the laughing stock of the league because of stuff like this. Complain about legit mistakes- not one like this- where most referees and coaches would agree was called correctly by the book., 

The receiver on the right did look back for the ball.  The one on the left made contact as he was running by.  Not a direct hit/block.  All three defenders were trying to defend the two WRs that supposedly blocked them.

[Nebraska55fan]

2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

The receiver on the right did look back for the ball.  The one on the left made contact as he was running by.  Not a direct hit/block.  All three defenders were trying to defend the two WRs that supposedly blocked them.

 

 

We can argue about it till the cows come home. Im very confident in my position- you in yours. 

 

HOWEVER- the referees have CALLED this on us twice now in just 3 games and it cost us TWO TOUCHDOWNS. Think about that- weve run the play twice with 2 totally different ref crews- who BOTH called offensive pass interference against NU. A conspiracy? Both crews called it wrong- 2 for 2 100% of the time? Nope- you are wrong. 

 

We can do the insane thing- like keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. OR we can do the SANE thing- like coaching the pick up like most coaching staffs do. 

 

So we can be "right" in your eyes and keep getting called for this negating touchdowns OR we can change how we do things- coach it correctly and not get called for penalties that end up costing us touchdowns. Its a choice most reasonable adults who value winning over losing can easily make. 

[PasstheDamnBallGuy]

14 hours ago, alexhortdog95 said:

 

You do know that with your example, blocking like that downfield is legal because the pass is behind the line of scrimmage, right?

 

No you can't block 7 yards down field before a pass is caught just because it's thrown behind the line. 

[VectorVictor]

On 9/11/2021 at 10:18 PM, Ohbabyyououttatime said:

I don’t get how a major college football program doesn’t have a dedicated special teams coach. High school teams have that 

 

Because we have a QB coach that teaches kids how to throw with poor mechanics?

[Nebraska55fan]

6 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

No you can't block 7 yards down field before a pass is caught just because it's thrown behind the line. 

 You are incorrect. If the ball doesnt cross the line of scrimmage, they can block. If what you are saying is true- there would never be a screen, bubble screen, slip screen, smoke screen play that would not be flagged.  https://www.ajc.com/blog/high-school-sports/ask-the-ref-forward-pass-interference-restrictions-the-offense/24YEc2ZU09g8OFHcm4UeGP/

[Husker in WI]

14 hours ago, alexhortdog95 said:

 

You do know that with your example, blocking like that downfield is legal because the pass is behind the line of scrimmage, right?

 

 

4 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

No you can't block 7 yards down field before a pass is caught just because it's thrown behind the line. 

 

Actually he's right, you can. It's why screens are allowed. I guess that could have been the justification for the no call, you just don't see it often on a play that doesn't look designed to keep the pass behind the line of scrimmage. But frankly could have called a blindside block - in any case, they usually only call these if they are blatant block attempts. The inconsistency of how penalties are called is always frustrating, more so when they cost you TDs.

[BigRedBuster]

11 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Because we have a QB coach that teaches kids how to throw with poor mechanics?

No we don't.

[Nebraska55fan]

6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

No we don't.

 Lukes numbers at Rice so far. Very similar to NU. At NU 6 Ints 1 TD. at Rice 3 Ints 1 TD. So hes doing better at Rice, but his TD/INT ratio is definitely upside down:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426948/luke-mccaffrey

 

My contention is- our coaching staff isn't very good at evaluating QBs or developing them very well. And Yes, they are all fine wonderful amazing hardworking kids, they just aren't great QBs. 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, Nebraska55fan said:

 Lukes numbers at Rice so far. Very similar to NU. At NU 6 Ints 1 TD. at Rice 3 Ints 1 TD. So hes doing better at Rice, but his TD/INT ratio is definitely upside down:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4426948/luke-mccaffrey

 

My contention is- our coaching staff isn't very good at evaluating QBs or developing them very well. And Yes, they are all fine wonderful amazing hardworking kids, they just aren't great QBs. 

You've made your contention very clear.

But, we don't have a QB coach actively teaching poor mechanics.  

[Nebraska55fan]

11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

You've made your contention very clear.

But, we don't have a QB coach actively teaching poor mechanics.  

 

None of us know that. 

 

Is Verduzco doing something maliciously to mess up our Quarterbacks mechanics? No

 

Is Verduzco teaching things to our players that result in poor mechanics? Maybe. 

 

Is Verduzco doing some oddball things- teaching in an ineffective and inefficient way that doesn't result in consistently good Quarterback development and play ACROSS the Quarterback room? Probably.

 

A buddy of mine who coaches 8A HS QBs in Florida said that early in Verduzcos tenure in Florida HS coaches would consider what Mario does and try to learn from him. Now they just roll their eyes- they think he does things the way he does JUST TO DRAW ATTENTION TO HE IS DIFFERENT> they chuckle at what he does now.