Trev’s Big Decision - SSO Article Herbie's Hangout

[Hedley Lamarr]

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Of course it is bad if there is no announcement.

 

I am sure Trev has been working behind closed doors to see who he can get.  

Makes total sense. If a miracle happens and Frost beats both Wisconsin and Iowa you can come out and say 1 more year. If he loses both you already have a potential list of guys that are interested. If the higher ups view the short list as superior to Frost well you pull the trigger the weekend of black friday. If you don't like your list you have the option of letting Frost continue. However I find it difficult to think we cant find a coach that wins more than 1 out of 3 games he coaches and can only beat NW in the B1G this year. 

[TGHusker]

Some thoughts to ponder from this article

 

https://hailvarsity.com/football/one-of-college-footballs-best-defenses-one-of-its-worst-special-teams-and-other-huskers-thoughts/

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>> Seven different kickers have missed a total of 22 field goals over Scott Frost’s four years in Lincoln. 

There are only eight other FBS programs that have missed more field goal attempts since the start of the 2018 season than Nebraska. A 68.1% conversion rate on NU’s 69 field goal attempts under Frost ranks 109th out of 130 FBS programs over that period.

In all, nine Huskers have attempted a field goal during the Frost tenure. Matt Waldoch and Harrison Martin are the only two who didn’t miss a kick. Remember them? Waldoch was a UNL men’s club soccer team member who joined the football program before the 2019 season and didn’t return after the year ended. Martin was a four-year student who joined midseason and made his only field goal. 

The most reliable kicker Frost had was a student plucked from campus to plug a hole. 

Kickers this year are now 6-for-13 on field goals inside 50 yards. Perhaps we underestimated the impact of kicking in empty stadiums for all of 2020. As it stands, Nebraska is probably looking for a new guy for the 2022 season. 

I guess that’s where we’re starting this. 

Drew Brown, one of the program’s greatest kickers all-time, summed up things quite nicely.

 

 

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It’s not just at kicker. Nebraska has had punting issues for two years, unable to settle on one guy because when one starts showing a glimpse of consistency a rogue 13-yard shank pops up. “You’ll never get me to run down any one kid—these are my guys, I love them—but it isn’t special teams right now, it’s specialists,” Frost said Saturday.

And that’s been the case for four years. It makes very little sense why that can’t get corrected. As a play-caller, Frost can’t rely on his kicker and he doesn’t know whether his punter will be a weapon or a weakness, and that seriously changes what he can and can’t do in various spots on the field. Those guys have to step up and do their jobs on Saturdays. That Frost hasn’t been able to fully and truly rely on anyone for four years is on him.

That third-down miss/fourth-down miss sequence with 10 to play in the fourth quarter Saturday against the Buckeyes is sort of the story of this tenure, isn’t it? 

Quarterback Adrian Martinez floated a pass to wideout Levi Falck that needed to be driven on third-and-4. Ohio State defensive linemen Zach Harrison was coming up the middle, and perhaps Martinez anticipated a swat attempt. There have been few instances over the course of his career where he’s had the touch to be able to float a ball and still drop it where it needs to go. In this instance, he missed a receiver he should have hit. 

 

 

 

 

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>> Someone once again brought up the talent discussion this week. “Nebraska hasn’t surrounded Martinez with enough talent to be successful.” Over the course of Frost’s four years, it has been a common refrain from folks wanting to give Frost a crutch. But if he could just get more talent things would be different. 

I looked up the high school recruiting classes from 2018 through 2021. In terms of 4- and 5-star prospects signed, Nebraska ranks 21st among Power Five programs. In the Big Ten, only Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State have added more blue-chip prospects to their rosters than the Huskers since Frost got to town. NU boasts more than twice as many as Purdue and Minnesota, and nearly five times as many as Northwestern and Illinois. 

Against that foursome that was just listed, Nebraska is 6-10 in the last four seasons. Acquisition isn’t the problem. Development, usage, and retention are.

 

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NU has faced four top-40 offenses so far this season. Indiana (5) is the only Big Ten team to face more. Nebraska currently ranks No. 28 nationally in scoring defense (three spots behind Alabama). Nebraska hasn’t finished top-30 there since 2010. The Blackshirts are 23rd nationally in yards per point allowed and 20th in points per play allowed. The Blackshirts pair a top-20 pass defense with a top-15 short-yardage run defense.

This is legitimately one of the 25 best defenses in football. If you still don’t think so, good luck arguing your case.

 

 

[captain_sasquatch]

That was a great article, and this decision is made infinitely more difficult because our coach is Scott Frost. If it was Tom Herman or Chip Kelly they would be let go and it's an easy decision. With that being said, you cannot deny that the team is still playing their hearts out. Look at Florida - they have straight up quit kinda like we did in 2007. There's a weird balance to both decisions (let him go or not).

 

• Our recruiting class is straight a$$. That can absolutely be remedied with the transfer portal, though. Look at what Tucker did at MSU.
• You can't deny our record is terrible. With that said we played top 10 teams to the wire and fought like hell. We also played just below Illinois, Minnesota, and Purdue.
• Our defense has been lights out great for the most part this year. Our offense is bad, and our special teams sniffs glue. 

At the end of the day I think I can live with either decision depending on how these last 2 games go. 3-9 and Trev needs to cut the cord. Either way, the offensive staff needs a reboot and we need to pay top dollar to get the best possible coaches, including a dedicated ST coordinator, in here.

[HuskerNation1]

Not sure if this was posted already, but it looks like USC felt Trev made a dig at them for firing Helton mid-season.  I did not take Alberts comments as necessarily a dig at any other program but rather sharing his philosophy as a new AD of Nebraska.  

 

The more I think about all the comments coming from Trev around ensuring the HC has full support and waiting until the end of the season to make an evaluation, the more I think Trev may lean toward replacing Frost so he can look back and say he did everything possible as AD to support Frost and the players which WOULD be appealing to a new incoming coach.  

 

https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/02/nebraska-ad-trev-alberts-takes-a-indirect-shot-at-usc-mike-bohn/

 

[Jeremy]

On 11/5/2021 at 10:49 AM, Dogs In A Pile said:

Interesting in depth read on Trev's upcoming decision from ShortSideOption at Herbie's Hangout.

 

Trev’s Big Decision 2.0

 

 

 

Has it been 72 hours? Since it's still 'radio silent,' I guess things are no bueno?

[ColoradoHusk]

2 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

Has it been 72 hours? Since it's still 'radio silent,' I guess things are no bueno?

It's only been 48 hours since the game on Saturday.  If there was some official announcement, I would think Trev or Carter would come out with a statement before Frost meets with the media today.

[HuskerNation1]

3 minutes ago, captain_sasquatch said:

That was a great article, and this decision is made infinitely more difficult because our coach is Scott Frost. If it was Tom Herman or Chip Kelly they would be let go and it's an easy decision. With that being said, you cannot deny that the team is still playing their hearts out. Look at Florida - they have straight up quit kinda like we did in 2007. There's a weird balance to both decisions (let him go or not).

 

• Our recruiting class is straight a$$. That can absolutely be remedied with the transfer portal, though. Look at what Tucker did at MSU.
• You can't deny our record is terrible. With that said we played top 10 teams to the wire and fought like hell. We also played just below Illinois, Minnesota, and Purdue.
• Our defense has been lights out great for the most part this year. Our offense is bad, and our special teams sniffs glue. 

At the end of the day I think I can live with either decision depending on how these last 2 games go. 3-9 and Trev needs to cut the cord. Either way, the offensive staff needs a reboot and we need to pay top dollar to get the best possible coaches, including a dedicated ST coordinator, in here.

 

Nice analysis and I fully agree that Herman or Kelly would be gone if they had the same record as Frost.  I think the question is...should the program be giving preferential treatment to Frost as a former player?  Does that bias really help the program in the long term?   

[cheekygeek]

My fear is that any decision to keep Frost is based more upon Trev's newness to the seat of an AD in a Power 5 conference (and the number of networking connections that he has made) and less about what Frost deserves. I think they force SF to get rid of the OL coach and hire a ST coach which appears to "fix" the two most glaring problems that cost them games this year. That may be enough to give (many) people hope that next year could be the real turnaround. I'm still trying to figure out why we have heard NOTHING more regarding the NCAA investigation. It seemed to me that was groundwork being done (prior to Trev Albert's hiring). If you put two and two together, it would seem to indicate that Frost was, if not just "on notice", then definitely on his way out. But if they don't already have a Plan B waiting in the wings I don't think they pull the trigger.

 

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This article mentions the possibility of Nebraska waiting to see what becomes of legal challenges to similar NCAA investigations at other schools:
https://saturdaytradition.com/nebraska-football/b1g-debate-should-scott-frost-get-another-year-at-nebraska/

[ColoradoHusk]

Just now, HuskerNation1 said:

 

Nice analysis and I fully agree that Herman or Kelly would be gone if they had the same record as Frost.  I think the question is...should the program be giving preferential treatment to Frost as a former player?  Does that bias really help the program in the long term?   

According to a lot of fans I encountered on Twitter this weekend, they are in firm support of Frost, and a big reason to them is because Frost "is who he is, and that's a positive intangible for Nebraska".  I don't see how Frost's national championship as a player means anything for his success as a coach, but that's how a lot of people feel.

[ColoradoHusk]

2 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

My fear is that any decision to keep Frost is based more upon Trev's newness to the seat of an AD in a Power 5 conference (and the number of networking connections that he has made) and less about what Frost deserves. I think they force SF to get rid of the OL coach and hire a ST coach which appears to "fix" the two most glaring problems that cost them games this year. That may be enough to give (many) people hope that next year could be the real turnaround. I'm still trying to figure out why we have heard NOTHING more regarding the NCAA investigation. It seemed to me that was groundwork being done (prior to Trev Albert's hiring). If you put two and two together, it would seem to indicate that Frost was, if not just "on notice", then definitely on his way out. But if they don't already have a Plan B waiting in the wings I don't think they pull the trigger.

We haven't heard anything regarding the NCAA investigation because it was a very minor infraction.  People were grasping at straws in their hope that this would lead to us getting out of Frost's contract.

 

I think Trev has put Frost on short notice, for reasons other than the NCAA investigation.  However, Regents are pushing for Frost to get more time, part of which so NU can put off paying a huge buyout to Frost and his staff another year.

[cheekygeek]

Out 2 hours ago: Andrew McDonough's take (under McDonough's Musings): https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/college-football-roundup-week-10-shakes-up-playoff-picture

[Red Five]

Sam McKewon is "almost certain" Frost gets another year.

 

https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/mckewon-huskers-have-many-flaws-but-lots-of-fight-which-will-decide-frosts-fate/article_992fba86-4031-11ec-bf1a-b342651d5a2f.html

 

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LINCOLN — Now that Nebraska clinched its fifth straight losing season, coach Scott Frost, almost certainly getting another year at the helm of the program, should pen a few thank-you notes to Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Oklahoma.

 

Their success and 33-3 combined record provides the wind in the sails of Nebraska’s 3-7 season and, paradoxically, an argument for Frost’s retention. A loss is a loss is a loss is a loss, but NU’s 7-, 3-, 3- and 9-point defeats to those squads offer a kind of moral victory that, to some, may offset losses to Illinois, Minnesota and Purdue.

 

 

 

 

[Decoy73]

5 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

Out 2 hours ago: Andrew McDonough's take (under McDonough's Musings): https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/college-football-roundup-week-10-shakes-up-playoff-picture

McDonough is full of sh!t. 

[knapplc]

Hoax season is upon us. Be sure to check everything about an account purporting to be news. 

 

This guy's account got suspended today. This is, obviously, not Brett McMurphy.

 

[captain_sasquatch]

15 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

 

Nice analysis and I fully agree that Herman or Kelly would be gone if they had the same record as Frost.  I think the question is...should the program be giving preferential treatment to Frost as a former player?  Does that bias really help the program in the long term?   

It's tough. I grew up in the 90's and Frost was my hero as a kid. Going from getting booed to winning a natty was inspirational to me. I just say that to note my pretty clear bias.

 

I'm also a businessman and looking at this from a business-like angle, I think the ROI of a successful Frost is significantly higher than a successful coach not named Frost. He can rally the fanbase better than anyone else and that will mean more $$$ with success. How much does 1 more year of Frost actually hurt the overall athletic department? It's clear that the boosters will buy up tickets to keep the sellout streak alive and it doesn't get much worse than where we are. One more year also lessens the buyout and saves you money. A reboot of the offensive staff gives you a great shot at that huge ROI of a successful Frost and his lessened buyout covers their salary and then some.

 

With that said, in their Sunday meetings Trev has to be saying: "C'mon dude you gotta give me SOMETHING here good lord." Frost HAS to win at least 1 more game and be competitive in the other to stay. Even then you can absolutely make the argument he doesn't deserve it.