not me Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, RedDenver said: Or - and hear me out here - other people simply disagree with you. But no, I'm sure all those people are just liars - not that you could be close-minded about the possibilities because - let's be honest - you're always right. I think people in general are more delusional than dishonest. Also, 3 isn't exactly right though for how a lot of people feel. They care about winning, they just care more about the good old boy being coach. Quote Link to comment
FrantzHardySwag Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 The f#&%? 6 Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said: The f#&%? The full quote goes on to say he believes the specialists have let us down not special teams. 1 Quote Link to comment
FrantzHardySwag Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said: The full quote goes on to say he believes the specialists have let us down not special teams. Whats the difference? haha 1 Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said: Whats the difference? haha Well, is it the field goal blocking units fault a kicker misses a PAT or a FG? Are we complaining this much if we made even at least half of the missed FGs? Tbf, I don't care about not getting a lot of KR yards because getting the ball at the 25 is great, PR yards, just don't muff it. There's only so much you can do from coaching, eventually it boils down to the players. Hopefully he does get a ST coordinator though. Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said: Whats the difference? haha I agree that it's hard for coaches to improve place kicker's and punter's performance. To me, that's up to the kicker and their personal kicking coaches (which all of them have). However, the lack of a dedicated ST coach/coordinator further shows me that Frost doesn't think that ST needs to be an area of importance. It's maddening. 4 Quote Link to comment
GSG Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: I agree that it's hard for coaches to improve place kicker's and punter's performance. To me, that's up to the kicker and their personal kicking coaches (which all of them have). However, the lack of a dedicated ST coach/coordinator further shows me that Frost doesn't think that ST needs to be an area of importance. It's maddening. Especially since they beat USF his final year at UCF thanks to final minute KO return for touchdown (and Chin's defense getting a stop thereafter) 1 Quote Link to comment
FrantzHardySwag Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said: Well, is it the field goal blocking units fault a kicker misses a PAT or a FG? Are we complaining this much if we made even at least half of the missed FGs? Tbf, I don't care about not getting a lot of KR yards because getting the ball at the 25 is great, PR yards, just don't muff it. There's only so much you can do from coaching, eventually it boils down to the players. Hopefully he does get a ST coordinator though. ST Efficiency: 21: 128th 20: 115th 19: 123rd 18: 109th It's been a problem for 4 years. If you aren't identifying and coaching up the "specialist" then you need to hire someone to do it. He can act like he's identified the problem but there is zero reason to believe him or anyone on the current staff can fix it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said: The f#&%? This very well might just be coach speak till after the season when he might make further changes. 3 Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Special Teams question asked at 5:45 Quote Link to comment
thatguy Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said: The f#&%? No oNe WaNTs tO WIn mOrE tHaN ScOTt !!!1111 2 Quote Link to comment
MyBloodIsRed16 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I could probably fix the punting woes. What's his name usually muffs punts when you know they asked to directionally punt to the left. If he's got a leg just tell him to go out there and kick it. assign lanes and have everyone bust a$$ down there. Less pressure on the kid. just punt it (down field longer than 13 yards). 1 Quote Link to comment
MdStine Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, Enhance said: "Fans get remarkably tied up in the importance of early success for a coach. I get it. You see guys like Gene Chizik, Ed Orgeron and Mel Tucker all knock it out of the park early on. But a lot of those guys are gone 4-5 years down the road when they can't match their early success. Would anybody be surprised if Tucker is out at MSU in the next few years, either because of a new job or a performance decline? Because I wouldn't be." To your point and this thread, this is what the issue is in Lincoln. Scott had two (2) seasons as HC, 1 incredible season and 1 that was not successful based on W-L. In trying to make sense of college football over the past decade I have drawn the conclusion its interesting that A.D. stands for Athletic Director AND Attention Deficit which seems to be how they choose a HC coach today. Decision making only seems to be based on one good season and not the entire body of work, how does a institutional black eye like Steve Sarkisian make an a$$ out of himself in public at UW, wind up a drunk at USC and a few years later get the keys to UT? ..... seems Attention Deficit too me. In Scott's case, and throwing out last years covid season, he has coached 5 seasons 1 winning and 4 not, so he has a 20% season success rate taking the emotion and personal bias out of the analysis, simply W or L. To your example of Mel Tucker, how did one 5-7 season at Colorado merit a job at Michigan State? At 10,000 feet I find the Frost discussion polarizing because he was given one of the top 10 most prestigious coaching jobs after 2 seasons at a mid major without much of a body of work,. Can he recruit and then put those talent pieces together successfully, 2 years at a school doesn't tell us since it's not entirely his talent collection, only half. Thus far the answer to my question is "no" 3-4 years of recruiting what he saw as talent either isn't or he doesn't know how to put the talent pieces together based on a 36% win rate, Riley wasn't the answer but he could put the pieces together in Lincoln 50% of the time. We are where we are because the previous A.D. took a flyer on a state kid without much of a HC resume, I will leave it up each and everyone of you to decide if the hire was done by which A.D. a person with the title of Athletic Director or a person that had Attention Deficit got consumed with a shiny season ..... End of Rant 1 Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, hskrfan4life said: The full quote goes on to say he believes the specialists have let us down not special teams. Punt Returns #126 in yards/return Kick Returns #117 in yards/return Opponent Punt Returns #79 in yards/return Opponent Kickoff Returns #50 in yards/return It is not a just a specialist issue... 3 Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Red Five said: Punt Returns #126 in yards/return Kick Returns #117 in yards/return Opponent Punt Returns #79 in yards/return Opponent Kickoff Returns #50 in yards/return It is not a just a specialist issue... The opponent stuff is better, plus we've had more touchbacks this year. Like i said I don't care much for our return aspect of it. 2 Quote Link to comment
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