Cobra Kai Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said: No. He is the HC Good one Quote Link to comment
SouthLincoln Husker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Frost had too much on his plate as there were too many issues. Plus the line was atrocious. Hard to call plays when the tackles could not block. 2 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said: Good one Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said: As a coordinator in college? In the NFL? As a head coach? The dudes forgotten more about the game than frost knows. I couldn't care less how well UMASS did offensively in an arbitrary season...or anything like that. Not that this really matters...because players change and sos changes, but Pitt was 11th this year in yards per point and 16th in points per play. Nebraska was 111th and 71st in those categories. The guy can coach, has proven it at every level, with high success going back to his head coaching job at new haven where they were dubbed the best offense in all of college football.. that was a long time ago. Whipple will be a much better play caller and, regardless of yards, we will score way more efficiently than under frost. Not saying he can't coach but I don't anticipate our offense to be elite year 1. Hope I am surprised, and it happens though. 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 44 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said: Frost is a high level coordinator. His issue has been he surrounded himself with people who had far too many flaws and weaknesses that he wasnt able to cover up at the P5 level in my opinion. I agree. Quote Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said: I agree. I cannot count how many times I have witnessed a beautiful play call that was ruined because of an error by a player somewhere on the field. Missed block, incorrect read, poor throw etc. 4 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said: I cannot count how many times I have witnessed a beautiful play call that was ruined because of an error by a player somewhere on the field. Missed block, incorrect read, poor throw etc. Yep. Just because a play didn't work, doesn't mean it wasn't a great play call. 2 Quote Link to comment
Cobra Kai Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said: Not saying he can't coach but I don't anticipate our offense to be elite year 1. Hope I am surprised, and it happens though. I would be absolutely stunned if we were not significant more efficient next year. I'll be happy to eat the crow if we aren't. 1 Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said: Frost as OC at Oregon Frost 2013 565 ypg 45.5 ppg Frost 2014 547 ypg 45.4 ppg Whipples best year as OC at Pitt Whipple 2021 486.7 ypg 41.4 ppg …with the aberration of a Heisman caliber QB. Don’t get me wrong, I think Whipple is a very good coach and will help us in numerous ways but it gets a bit tiresome when people attribute too much credit to coaches when they stumble upon top level talent. I believe a fair amount of that happened with Frost at Oregon and UCF as well. Hopefully Thompson is that good that he makes the staff look like sorcerers. Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said: I cannot count how many times I have witnessed a beautiful play call that was ruined because of an error by a player somewhere on the field. Missed block, incorrect read, poor throw etc. … or a penalty or false start. Execution was as much to blame as play calling. Both failed at crucial times, repeatedly. Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, JJ Husker said: …with the aberration of a Heisman caliber QB. Don’t get me wrong, I think Whipple is a very good coach and will help us in numerous ways but it gets a bit tiresome when people attribute too much credit to coaches when they stumble upon top level talent. I believe a fair amount of that happened with Frost at Oregon and UCF as well. Hopefully Thompson is that good that he makes the staff look like sorcerers. Isn't that like, part of the job? Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said: Not saying he can't coach but I don't anticipate our offense to be elite year 1. Whipple's year 1 at his last 2 stops has been rough. Whipple's scoring offense rank by year: 2014 UMass #78 27.3 ppg 2015 UMass #108 22.2 ppg 2016 UMass #110 23.3 ppg 2017 UMass #47 30.6 ppg 2018 UMass #35 32.8 ppg 2019 Pitt #112 21.2 ppg 2020 Pitt #58 29.0 ppg 2021Pitt #3 43.0 ppg For reference, Nebraska was #71 at 27.9 ppg this past year. Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Red Five said: Whipple's year 1 at his last 2 stops has been rough. Whipple's scoring offense rank by year: 2014 UMass #78 27.3 ppg 2015 UMass #108 22.2 ppg 2016 UMass #110 23.3 ppg 2017 UMass #47 30.6 ppg 2018 UMass #35 32.8 ppg 2019 Pitt #112 21.2 ppg 2020 Pitt #58 29.0 ppg 2021Pitt #3 43.0 ppg For reference, Nebraska was #71 at 27.9 ppg this past year. Which I wonder does getting Casey early help in that department? Bring able to learn more and take in more? Quote Link to comment
Husker in WI Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Red Five said: Whipple's year 1 at his last 2 stops has been rough. Whipple's scoring offense rank by year: 2014 UMass #78 27.3 ppg 2015 UMass #108 22.2 ppg 2016 UMass #110 23.3 ppg 2017 UMass #47 30.6 ppg 2018 UMass #35 32.8 ppg 2019 Pitt #112 21.2 ppg 2020 Pitt #58 29.0 ppg 2021Pitt #3 43.0 ppg For reference, Nebraska was #71 at 27.9 ppg this past year. Worth pointing out what he was taking over - UMass in 2013 averaged 11.7 points per game, good for 123rd. They were also 122nd in YPG. A one year jump to 27ppg/78th was incredibly impressive and unsustainable, which is why they dropped back down a bit (still double what he took over) before the sustained growth. 2018 Pitt was 94th in ppg (25.6), and 98th in YPG. Also had to replace 2 1,000 yard rushers. Meanwhile as you pointed out, we were below average PPG but also 21st in YPG - so he's working from a better starting place, and I'm optimistic it can be a quicker fix. He does have to replace a 4-year starter at QB but the portal made that a lot easier. 1 Quote Link to comment
Cobra Kai Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, Red Five said: Whipple's year 1 at his last 2 stops has been rough. Whipple's scoring offense rank by year: 2014 UMass #78 27.3 ppg 2015 UMass #108 22.2 ppg 2016 UMass #110 23.3 ppg 2017 UMass #47 30.6 ppg 2018 UMass #35 32.8 ppg 2019 Pitt #112 21.2 ppg 2020 Pitt #58 29.0 ppg 2021Pitt #3 43.0 ppg For reference, Nebraska was #71 at 27.9 ppg this past year. Pitt transitioned from a super run heavy offense to a pass heavy attack. They did a 180°shift in philosophy. It's not apples to apples, at all. 1 Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: Isn't that like, part of the job? Recruiting that talent, yes. But it still requires some luck and things out of the coaches control. I would say quite a bit of luck was involved in that particular quarterback going to Pitt. TBH, I don’t know if Whipple recruited him or not. Guessing he didn’t? Quote Link to comment
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