New Staff Selection

[HANC]

2 hours ago, Display name said:

Orgeron and Ahman green would be my choice

Who is coaching ST?

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

13 minutes ago, Red Five said:

No thanks on Orgeron.  Read this and you'll want him no where near our program -> https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32424787/inside-unraveling-ed-orgeron-lsu-tenure-just-21-months

 

I live in Baton Rouge, and I'd like to have him 

[Red Five]

From that article:

 

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More troubling, in the past eight months, Orgeron had twice been accused of improperly handling allegations of sexual misconduct by a player. Both allegations involved former star running back Derrius Guice.

 

 

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A USA Today investigation last November found that at least nine LSU football players had been reported to police for accusations of sexual misconduct and dating violence since Orgeron was promoted to interim coach in 2016.

 

[Decked]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

From that article:

 

 

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Scummy. 

[admo]

10 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

I mean ... you can argue about it's where we should be in year five or not.

 

But I don't know how anyone can say doubling our win total and making the first bowl game in years is not progress.

I have to disagree, sorry homie

 

Doubling wins is just math and numbers at this point (3 wins?)

 

I can understand the thinking of going to a bowl game is progress, but only if it was in year 2....maybe year 3?   That would be understandable. Covid year or not.  

 

I feel like progress would be taking the close losses motto, revamping the team, engaging the new staff on offense, and slaming down a 7-5 record would be progress.  An 8-4 record would mean we turned the page, we're here to stay and not looking back.

 

6 wins and a bowl game doesn't move the needle in year 5.  And it hurts to admit that.  But it is what it is.

[Display name]

1 hour ago, HANC said:

Who is coaching ST?

ST coach is a waste special teams is a personal issue not a coaching issue frost finally ponied up and offered some scholarships for quality st play instead of relying on walk ons 

[Display name]

44 minutes ago, Display name said:

ST coach is a waste special teams is a personal issue not a coaching issue frost finally ponied up and offered some scholarships for quality st play instead of relying on walk ons 

Unless you can get Sean Snyder from USC you take him 

[Mavric]

1 hour ago, admo said:

I can understand the thinking of going to a bowl game is progress, but only if it was in year 2....maybe year 3?   That would be understandable. Covid year or not.  

 

6 wins and a bowl game doesn't move the needle in year 5.  And it hurts to admit that.  But it is what it is.

 

These are two different things, which is what I said in my post.

 

Six wins and a bowl game is undeniable progress.  Now, that might not be that impressive for year five.  But there is no possible way that can be construed as not progress.  It is undeniably better than anything in the last five years.

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

The fact that we're talking about a 6-win season being "progress" just makes me even more depressed. So sad how far our standards have fallen.

[84HuskerLaw]

34 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

The fact that we're talking about a 6-win season being "progress" just makes me even more depressed. So sad how far our standards have fallen.

When Frost was retained after 3 wins, that’s basically is no standard.  6 wins is not progress - it puts us right at .500 where Riley was after 3 overall.  Frost is well BELOW that overall and the trend line is down, not up. 
 

I understand why Trev and his superiors opted to let Frost go another year, or even 2, mostly for sentimental reasons I guess.  But the Frost era could ultimately be the harbinger of long term misery for the program and may be, in hindsight, the worst football HC selection of all.  

[MinnwiscowaSker]

Six wins isn’t our dream scenario but it is undeniable progress in the win column which I think we can all agree is the most important progress we want to see. Six is a higher number than anything else in the Frost era. Therefor it is progress. Moving on. 

[lo country]

6 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

When Frost was retained after 3 wins, that’s basically is no standard.  6 wins is not progress - it puts us right at .500 where Riley was after 3 overall.  Frost is well BELOW that overall and the trend line is down, not up. 
 

I understand why Trev and his superiors opted to let Frost go another year, or even 2, mostly for sentimental reasons I guess.  But the Frost era could ultimately be the harbinger of long term misery for the program and may be, in hindsight, the worst football HC selection of all.  

Over a 4 year span, Frost has one of the worst records in FBS football.  Unsure of "in history", but not many kept after 4 losing seasons.  6 wins and a bowl should have been a 2-3 year benchmark.  Not year 5. He should have been fired.  The only thing I think that prevented that was Trev knew of the potential openings at big name programs and knew it'd be an arms race to hire a good coach, Trev did the renegotiation to save money and to allow Frost to actually see what he could do to either realize this will work or to make sure that not one single fan, regent, admn etc would be in his corner after another losing season.  I still still see 5-7 as the best case scenario next year.  But that's me.  If his name wasn't Frost, he'd have already been gone.  

 

I do think that "wins" has nothing to do if Frost gets another year after 2022 or not.  I'll be interested to see how it all plays out.

[84HuskerLaw]

I understand the ‘close’ of so many games this year and it has some merits but that same thing can probably be said about most coaches who lose jobs after perennial losing careers (we are certainly in a serious trend for Frost).  To get to even a 65% career record he needs serious sustained success.   

 

He has several wins vs pathetic opponents (Fordam, Bethune Cookman, etc) that almost don’t mean much more that winning the spring game.  But, he gave Michigan, OU good battles and that cannot be dismissed.  
 

As a lifelong diehard fan, I will pull for my team, win or lose, no matter who the coaches and players may be.  I will also have my 50 years of experience watching many teams, coaches, players, schemes, levels etc.  Husker football is still the best game for me and nothing else comes close.  That said, I really want them to win and would prefer they do it in a tough, hard fought, never say die, fundamental first, blocking and tackling, good sportsmanlike way.  
 

I see some improvement in many of those areas, under Frost, but his scheme is the least entertaining offense, imo.  I know I am in the minority, it seems, so I will defer to Trev and his directors.  They are inside and seeing the day to day activities in the team.  I like the players’ attitude (except the quitters), so that is a very very positive sign. 
 

GO BIG RED - Forever!  
 

[Scarlet]

20 hours ago, Dogs In A Pile said:

 

I read this last night and decided to sleep on it.   This morning I'm just lost.  If what SSO is saying is true in his post, it points to a complete s#!t show of coaching on the offensive side of the ball. You wonder why it took so long to cut bait with some of those guys.  

 

You have players not being coached up with instant feedback but rather hoping mistakes will be addressed later, on film á la the Callahan years.  That might work in the NFL but college kids are a different story.

 

You have coaches not wanting to recruit even within the borders of Nebraska. How can a team that has the cards stacked against them in recruiting employee any coaches that aren't into, or aren't any good at, recruiting?   

 

Then you have coaches being buddy buddy with players.  It's like a hodgepodge of the worst mistakes from our previous three or four coaches.  Will this program ever figure it out?

 

The alarming part is all this is was happening on Frost's watch.  His calling card was supposed to be an offense that dominated while the defense held up long enough to get the offense the ball back.  Instead it's been the other way around.  It's just head scratching that Frost allowed this kind of "commitment" to the job to go on while his product was burning down all around him.   He either couldn't see it or wouldn't address it.  Either way it makes me wonder even more about all the little decisions we've all seen from Frost.

 

For all the talk of fixing the culture in the locker room it's sounds like the culture in the coaching offices needed to also be addressed.  Hopefully that happened this fall but is common sense learned or is it innate?

[Dogs In A Pile]

15 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

I read this last night and decided to sleep on it....

 

It's like a hodgepodge of the worst mistakes from our previous three or four coaches.  Will this program ever figure it out?

I read it last night too.

 

Quite disturbing between not being coached up, not recruiting within the state and complete inability to run a competent program from the head coach.  With SSO's ties to the program I believe it is for the most part true. And looking at their record, play on the field, outflow of high school talent from the state and in general what a clusterf#$% the last 4 years have been it certainly bears out what a disaster this has been.

 

It irks me even more that HCSF wasn't released after last season.

 

15-29 is all you need to know.