Offseason drama for Frost and departing players

[84HuskerLaw]

13 hours ago, Stumpy1 said:

The only issue that some of the Omaha coaches have with Frost and company is that Frost praised to them that they will bring this program back but has yet to do it and really haven’t shown any sign of progress.  

It seems odd that Omaha coaches would disapprove of Frost because he hasn’t done well enough but he’s not going to recruit players from Omaha if their coaches steer them

awsy from NU.  Geesh.  More likely is Frost has sought guys as walkons and the coaches want scholarships given.  The cupboard was low and the rebuild is a long term process.  The troubling part is that we all wanted immediate result’s notwithstanding the declared recognition it would take time.  I never expected a miracle but I did expect better than .500 records after year 1.  Figured 7-8 wins this year. And we were ‘close’ in many ways and the issues are fairly obvious to most observers.  
Really - most agree on O line and special teams and kickers and missing pass rush stars were the areas that, if fixed, turn the team into a solid 8-4 type bunch.  The real battle is the QB spot and offensive play/scheming to find the other 4 wins.  To get to 12-0, you need the great players and difference makers all over.  
 

For me, I hate the 1 or none RB formations and schemes generally.  I think it can be a nice complement to a base run oriented attack but it will never produce sustained success for a program outside the high pop areas loaded with top tier talent within 3 hrs drive.  
 

i am wishing for a run game / option based attack with some spread or pass based blend.  A 70/30 run to pass and 300 - 250 run/pass yards.  Without it, we are destined to be middle of the big ten west status

 

[ColoradoHusk]

5 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

 

i am wishing for a run game / option based attack with some spread or pass based blend.  A 70/30 run to pass and 300 - 250 run/pass yards.  Without it, we are destined to be middle of the big ten west status

 

You've done this in the past, and you are doing it again now. Your "wish" for an offense at Nebraska is completely unrealistic and is based on how offenses operated 30-40 years ago.

 

You want 550 yards of offense a game? Well only one team in the country achieved that in 2021 (Ohio State).

 

You want 300 yards rushing?  That was done by 2 military academies, Air Force and Army.

 

You want a 70-30 run-pass ratio? Again, only done by military academies.

 

You want a top offense in the country while having more rush yards than passing yards? Of the top 20 offenses, only 1 team is anywhere near a 50-50 ratio and that Coastal Carolina.

 

You need to have an understanding of how modern football actually works, because your posts make no sense when you make posts of your "wishes". The only thing that will make your wish come true is if you get in that Delorean of yours and go back to the 1980s and 1990s. 

[84HuskerLaw]

On 12/6/2021 at 7:27 AM, ColoradoHusk said:

You've done this in the past, and you are doing it again now. Your "wish" for an offense at Nebraska is completely unrealistic and is based on how offenses operated 30-40 years ago.

 

You want 550 yards of offense a game? Well only one team in the country achieved that in 2021 (Ohio State).

 

You want 300 yards rushing?  That was done by 2 military academies, Air Force and Army.

 

You want a 70-30 run-pass ratio? Again, only done by military academies.

 

You want a top offense in the country while having more rush yards than passing yards? Of the top 20 offenses, only 1 team is anywhere near a 50-50 ratio and that Coastal Carolina.

 

You need to have an understanding of how modern football actually works, because your posts make no sense when you make posts of your "wishes". The only thing that will make your wish come true is if you get in that Delorean of yours and go back to the 1980s and 1990s. 

What your arguing was also claimed back then too.  Dam few teams ran the Osbone or wishbone then.  That’s why it worked better than any other offense - when run exceptionally well.  Two primary advantages to a different run based offense:

1   Teams never practiced against it and really couldn’t even simulate it at the level needed to defend it.  Because nobody could as didn’t know how and didn’t have time. 
 

2.   Recruiting was much easier when you recruited athletes that nobody else wanted.  In the everybody else offenses, NU and OU have to search high and low and try to lure guys away from home.  OU has had success because of Texas being close and the SW conference imploded basically leaving lots of guys available for those two.  Texas used the bone along with half a dozen others in the 70s as well. Today - to run what virtually everybody else does, NU must out recruit the top 5 to get the very best fun n gun guys.  Can’t be done.  
 

Even TO tried, unsuccessfully to run the popular offenses in the 70s but couldn’t best teams with comparable and better talent. So, he wisely converted to an offense nobody else ran and the 80s and 90s resulted.  
 

if NU goes even further away from power run / option, things, things will get worse, not better. Bama sits in the heart of football talent. Ohio Stste similarly.  Clemson draws off the SE pool (AL, GA, Fl with scatterings from outside.  
 

Milt Tenopir built his pipeline - he didn’t recruit it essentially. We recruited guys who were all but ignored by most non-power / option.  Finding future NFL guys was NOT a Neb recruiting goal.  We wanted the tough, hardest working guys we could make into Husker football players.  Some became pros but mostly defensive guys.  We had many great QBs but not many NFL QBs.  OU the same way.  Bama and Texas likewise.  But all 4 programs won lots of games. 
 

It will be a terrible mistake to try to go all pass happy (ier) in the effort to get over the hump.  Frost and many others say we are ‘close’ and we were this year.  But close to what?   Winning 6 more games by 3 or 7 pts and being 9-3 instead of 3-9?  That’s still a long ways from 12-0 and winning a natty.  That gets us up to where TO was before he switched offenses and then changed defenses from big and slow to small and fast.  Our defenses which became good at beating the air raid teams had trouble stopping our own offense, even though we saw it everyday in practice.  We usually stuffed the other Big 8 foes who tried to play BB on grass but with lesser talent overall.   Miami beat us with great defense, not offense.  
 

TO and BD both also made sure the special teams were exceptional. Period.  Frost is so focused on offense (trying to out fun n gun the rest) he loses sight of the other aspects of building a championship caliber team.  He uses too many scholarships on skill offensive spots, he fails to get great defensive guys and specialists. He even ignored the O line - I guess thinking the big dummies are easy to just grab off the street.  

[ColoradoHusk]

33 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

What your arguing was also claimed back then too.  Dam few teams ran the Osbone or wishbone then.  That’s why it worked better than any other offense - when run exceptionally well.  Two primary advantages to a different run based offense:

1   Teams never practiced against it and really couldn’t even simulate it at the level needed to defend it.  Because nobody could as didn’t know how and didn’t have time. 
 

2.   Recruiting was much easier when you recruited athletes that nobody else wanted.  In the everybody else offenses, NU and OU have to search high and low and try to lure guys away from home.  OU has had success because of Texas being close and the SW conference imploded basically leaving lots of guys available for those two.  Texas used the bone along with half a dozen others in the 70s as well. Today - to run what virtually everybody else does, NU must out recruit the top 5 to get the very best fun n gun guys.  Can’t be done.  
 

Even TO tried, unsuccessfully to run the popular offenses in the 70s but couldn’t best teams with comparable and better talent. So, he wisely converted to an offense nobody else ran and the 80s and 90s resulted.  
 

if NU goes even further away from power run / option, things, things will get worse, not better. Bama sits in the heart of football talent. Ohio Stste similarly.  Clemson draws off the SE pool (AL, GA, Fl with scatterings from outside.  
 

Milt Tenopir built his pipeline - he didn’t recruit it essentially. We recruited guys who were all but ignored by most non-power / option.  Finding future NFL guys was NOT a Neb recruiting goal.  We wanted the tough, hardest working guys we could make into Husker football players.  Some became pros but mostly defensive guys.  We had many great QBs but not many NFL QBs.  OU the same way.  Bama and Texas likewise.  But all 4 programs won lots of games. 
 

It will be a terrible mistake to try to go all pass happy (ier) in the effort to get over the hump.  Frost and many others say we are ‘close’ and we were this year.  But close to what?   Winning 6 more games by 3 or 7 pts and being 9-3 instead of 3-9?  That’s still a long ways from 12-0 and winning a natty.  That gets us up to where TO was before he switched offenses and then changed defenses from big and slow to small and fast.  Our defenses which became good at beating the air raid teams had trouble stopping our own offense, even though we saw it everyday in practice.  We usually stuffed the other Big 8 foes who tried to play BB on grass but with lesser talent overall.   Miami beat us with great defense, not offense.  
 

TO and BD both also made sure the special teams were exceptional. Period.  Frost is so focused on offense (trying to out fun n gun the rest) he loses sight of the other aspects of building a championship caliber team.  He uses too many scholarships on skill offensive spots, he fails to get great defensive guys and specialists. He even ignored the O line - I guess thinking the big dummies are easy to just grab off the street.  

It's impossible to answer specific items in this rambling mess.  I just think it's lazy for people's answer to the ills of Nebraska football is just to say "We need to go back and do things how they were in the 80s and 90s.  That will work for sure!!"

[knapplc]

Some pushback on the Mitch Sherman rumor.

 

 

 

[Courtesy Flush]

6 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Some pushback on the Mitch Sherman rumor.

 

 

 

Mitch needs a new nickname. Submit your recommendations on this thread. 

[knapplc]

3 minutes ago, Courtesy Flush said:

Mitch needs a new nickname. Submit your recommendations on this thread. 

 

Rhymes with Mitch but starts with a B.

[Born N Bled Red]

2 minutes ago, Courtesy Flush said:

Mitch needs a new nickname. Submit your recommendations on this thread. 

 

As I said, it was a hit piece, released specifically to damage Frost and overshadow the good news of the Joseph hire. That is why it was released on a Friday afternoon to fester for a whole weekend. 

[Decked]

21 minutes ago, Courtesy Flush said:

Mitch needs a new nickname. Submit your recommendations on this thread. 

Drama Queen Mitch 

 

 

[Red Five]

23 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Some pushback on the Mitch Sherman rumor.

 

 

 

 

I am going to stand up a bit for Sherman.  Sherman never specifically said that AM and SF were butting heads.  Here are the paragraphs in his article that talk about the Frost/player dynamics:

 

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LINCOLN, Neb. — If the first seven days of the offseason at Nebraska serve to preview the nine months ahead, buckle in for a bumpy ride before the Huskers kick off in Dublin against Northwestern.

 

The latest developments out of Memorial Stadium exacerbate the need to find impact players in the transfer portal, with the early departures of quarterback Adrian Martinez, first-team All-Big Ten tight end Austin Allen, second-team All-Big Ten cornerback Cam Taylor-Britt and defensive end Deontre Thomas. In addition, third-team All-Big Ten center Cam Jurgens and nose tackle Damion Daniels are on track to leave, said multiple sources close to the program. Jurgens has two seasons of remaining eligibility; Daniels has one.

 

It was a turbulent week behind the curtain in Lincoln. In the wake of a 3-9 season, the fallout began.

 

Conversations between coach Scott Frost and some of the departing players grew contentious, sources said, and several players took concerns to athletic director Trev Alberts. Alberts canceled travel plans Friday to attend meetings with Big Ten ADs ahead of the conference title game, participating instead via Zoom.

It all comes as Martinez, the four-year starter, entered the transfer portal and former Nebraska quarterback and LSU assistant Mickey Joseph returned as associate head coach, wide receivers coach and pass game coordinator.

 

 

Second, this guy is completely overstating Sherman's tweet about the Toure comment on Smothers.  Some people are just looking for things to get angry about.

 

Here is Mitch's tweet:

 

 

Here is Sherman's next tweet after people got their panties in a wad:

 

 

And lastly, Sherman didn't misquote "Toure with the sole intention of getting more bites to click on his article." because there IS NO ARTICLE TO CLICK ON.

[Savage Husker]

29 minutes ago, Courtesy Flush said:

Mitch needs a new nickname. Submit your recommendations on this thread. 

“Cocaine Mitch” has already been taken

[NebraskaHarry]

The new Moscow Mitch? Too much?

[Savage Husker]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

I am going to stand up a bit for Sherman.  Sherman never specifically said that AM and SF were butting heads.  Here are the paragraphs in his article that talk about the Frost/player dynamics:

 

 

Second, this guy is completely overstating Sherman's tweet about the Toure comment on Smothers.  Some people are just looking for things to get angry about.

 

Here is Mitch's tweet:

 

 

Here is Sherman's next tweet after people got their panties in a wad:

 

 

And lastly, Sherman didn't misquote "Toure with the sole intention of getting more bites to click on his article." because there IS NO ARTICLE TO CLICK ON.

Ok, Mitch.

[Decked]

If Mitch Sherman disappeared from the writer verse and chose another career all our eyes would benefit. 

Just now, Savage Husker said:

Ok, Mitch.

Boo this man!!

[knapplc]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

I am going to stand up a bit for Sherman.  Sherman never specifically said that AM and SF were butting heads.  Here are the paragraphs in his article that talk about the Frost/player dynamics:

 

 

Second, this guy is completely overstating Sherman's tweet about the Toure comment on Smothers.  Some people are just looking for things to get angry about.

 

Here is Mitch's tweet:

 

 

Here is Sherman's next tweet after people got their panties in a wad:

 

 

And lastly, Sherman didn't misquote "Toure with the sole intention of getting more bites to click on his article." because there IS NO ARTICLE TO CLICK ON.

 

 

The quote by Toure was super easy to get right. Sherman wasn't running out of space in the tweet. So why edit it? That's a major mistake from a guy who's been in the business as long as Mitch. Completely self-inflicted wound on Sherman's part.