USC and UCLA to the B1G

[Red Five]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/34208550/answering-latest-college-football-realignment-questions

 

Any chatter about the Big Ten making more moves in this cycle quiets by the day. The clear target for the league remains Notre Dame, but the urgency and interest in any imminent arrangement doesn't appear to be reciprocal.

 

Notre Dame still has a chance at a blockbuster television deal on its own when its NBC deal expires in 2025, as the Irish are attractive to streaming services because they offer a boutique product without all the bulbous inventory that comes with conference packages.

 

"They don't need them," said an industry source of Notre Dame and the courtship by the Big Ten. "The market is going to be very vibrant for Notre Dame. They're going to do very well or extremely well."

 

Notre Dame would need to be forced to the Big Ten by a restricted television market or by getting squeezed out of the playoff, and it's important to remember that Notre Dame doesn't like being pushed around or told what to do.

 

The day may come when Notre Dame joins a league, but that day doesn't appear imminent.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[TGHusker]

17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/34208550/answering-latest-college-football-realignment-questions

 

Any chatter about the Big Ten making more moves in this cycle quiets by the day. The clear target for the league remains Notre Dame, but the urgency and interest in any imminent arrangement doesn't appear to be reciprocal.

 

Notre Dame still has a chance at a blockbuster television deal on its own when its NBC deal expires in 2025, as the Irish are attractive to streaming services because they offer a boutique product without all the bulbous inventory that comes with conference packages.

 

"They don't need them," said an industry source of Notre Dame and the courtship by the Big Ten. "The market is going to be very vibrant for Notre Dame. They're going to do very well or extremely well."

 

Notre Dame would need to be forced to the Big Ten by a restricted television market or by getting squeezed out of the playoff, and it's important to remember that Notre Dame doesn't like being pushed around or told what to do.

 

The day may come when Notre Dame joins a league, but that day doesn't appear imminent.

Then I say,  forget them and go after Wash, OR, (don't need Standford if no ND), NC, FSU,  - to get to 20.  To get to 24 - KU, CO, Baylor, Miami or GT

[gossamorharpy]

20 minutes ago, Red Five said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/34208550/answering-latest-college-football-realignment-questions

 

Any chatter about the Big Ten making more moves in this cycle quiets by the day. The clear target for the league remains Notre Dame, but the urgency and interest in any imminent arrangement doesn't appear to be reciprocal.

 

Notre Dame still has a chance at a blockbuster television deal on its own when its NBC deal expires in 2025, as the Irish are attractive to streaming services because they offer a boutique product without all the bulbous inventory that comes with conference packages.

 

"They don't need them," said an industry source of Notre Dame and the courtship by the Big Ten. "The market is going to be very vibrant for Notre Dame. They're going to do very well or extremely well."

 

Notre Dame would need to be forced to the Big Ten by a restricted television market or by getting squeezed out of the playoff, and it's important to remember that Notre Dame doesn't like being pushed around or told what to do.

 

The day may come when Notre Dame joins a league, but that day doesn't appear imminent.

I hope there's a day in the future where ND has zero options because all the conferences are set and ND has minimal opponents to schedule of substance.  The arrogance and entitlement for a progrum who hasn't done s#!t nationally in close to 40 years outside of constant embarrassments in big games is rather annoying

[Toe]

13 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

A decision it can make at any time? That's a load of s#!t. It takes two to tango - they can only move if the conference wants them, and Notre Dame will probably lose a lot of leverage in the future.

[Born N Bled Red]

21 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Then I say,  forget them and go after Wash, OR, (don't need Standford if no ND), NC, FSU,  - to get to 20.  To get to 24 - KU, CO, Baylor, Miami or GT

 

Yup, take Oregon and Washington today then decide between, Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, Kansas, Miami, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, Texas Tech,  Oklahoma State (basically any SEC state with a major team not in the SEC available.) 

 

Then institute a policy that no BIG team can schedule an independent school. Love folks from Ireland, but f*ck the Irish.

 

[Red Five]

22 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Then I say,  forget them and go after Wash, OR, (don't need Standford if no ND), NC, FSU,  - to get to 20.  To get to 24 - KU, CO, Baylor, Miami or GT

 

Why?

 

The B1G will only add teams that increase their revenue.  By not grabbing Washington or Oregon this go around they have shown that those schools do not meet the revenue threshold.  And the ACC schools are not going anywhere for a long while due to their Grant of Rights.  

[Born N Bled Red]

Ever watch the tv show Vikings? 

 

The Big 10 feels like King Harold. In love with a chick that doesn't want him, she states she would not marry him unless he was king of all Norway. So he goes out and becomes king and she still refuses him. In the end, he offs her husband and then when she tries to kill him, her. 

 

The BIG is Harold and Nortre Dame turns them down and say, only if you get all our major scheduling partners to join your league. The BIG does and comes back and say let's do it, and Notre Dame still rebuffs them. 

 

So, time to raid the ACC leave the Irish without a home and then refuse when they ask to join. (unfortunately, that would likely put them in the SEC, but meh. They'd be just another team there. 

 

 

[TGHusker]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

Why?

 

The B1G will only add teams that increase their revenue.  By not grabbing Washington or Oregon this go around they have shown that those schools do not meet the revenue threshold.  And the ACC schools are not going anywhere for a long while due to their Grant of Rights.  

To keep them out of the hands of the SEC and Big 12.  I would think WU, OR, USC, UCLA with CO, KU would be a good pod.  The other schools would open up fertile recruiting ground and TV markets - to make the Big 10 truly national in scope.  If enough schools leave the ACC, I think it would drive the conf out of business and void the GOR??

[nic]

27 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

Why?

 

The B1G will only add teams that increase their revenue.  By not grabbing Washington or Oregon this go around they have shown that those schools do not meet the revenue threshold.  And the ACC schools are not going anywhere for a long while due to their Grant of Rights.  

Right. If the B10 teams are going to get 100M per year after the additions of USC and UCLA, Oregon and Wash will have to add 100M in value each to be invited.

[Micheal]

Forget Notre Dame, they think they're special let them think that on their own. 

[Born N Bled Red]

13 minutes ago, nic said:

Right. If the B10 teams are going to get 100M per year after the additions of USC and UCLA, Oregon and Wash will have to add 100M in value each to be invited.

 

Eh... not so sure. In the arms race there is a gross value and a net value. Maybe Oregon and Washington each bring only 80M in direct value to the conference (gross) but adding them to the conference and keeping them out of another conference ensures that the other conferences are unable to increase their ask price by $30M in the next go round resulting in a loss in revenue for the other conference of $30M. In the arms race then, Oregon and Washington add a net value of $110M to the Big over their competing conferences. 

[nic]

14 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Eh... not so sure. In the arms race there is a gross value and a net value. Maybe Oregon and Washington each bring only 80M in direct value to the conference (gross) but adding them to the conference and keeping them out of another conference ensures that the other conferences are unable to increase their ask price by $30M in the next go round resulting in a loss in revenue for the other conference of $30M. In the arms race then, Oregon and Washington add a net value of $110M to the Big over their competing conferences. 

80 million might be enough to let them in, but I doubt Washington brings that much value. B10 might be after others instead. They should try and get in the SEC footprint. The state of Florida.

[TGHusker]

2 minutes ago, nic said:

80 million might be enough to let them in, but I doubt Washington brings that much value. B10 might be after others instead. 

Who would you suggest they would be after.  Not a lot of big name big value teams out there.   Having USC/UCLA way off on the west coast without some near by traveling buddies doesn't seem like a good long term plan

 

[VectorVictor]

2 hours ago, gossamorharpy said:

Good idea, throwin Tommie on there too.  

 

Thinking of adding a couple bouncers and having them throw out Billy C and riley out the door and depict them mid air

 

Riley, yes. 

 

I still contend that had Callahan got a replacement for Cosgrove, he'd still be our coach to this day--the offense was that good, as was special teams. Just the defense was *SO* bad...