Red Five Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: In this week's Pick 6 Podcast from the OWH, Sam McKewon has some great points about Trev (and the rest of the football program and fans) need to allow the next head coach (whomever he is) to do things the way that new coach sees fit. That includes doing things a lot different than what has been done traditionally. Items which should be open to change: 1) the walk-on program (why carry 60-70 additional guys if only 5-10 of them are going to play on Saturdays) 2) having to cow-tow to past players (guys who played 20-40 years ago should have little to no input on the program?) 3) having to bend the knee to Tom Osborne (why is he the moral compass for everything?) There are other items which Sam mentioned, but I can't remember them off-hand. The football program has been meddling for the past 20 years. Maybe we should trust a new coach to let run the organization as he sees fit. It was a good listen, I recommend the whole podcast, but the last 20 minutes were very good. They didn't talk much about candidates for the job (said that will be in future episodes). 1 Link to comment
McBrideMafia Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Red Five said: 2) having to cow-tow to past players (guys who played 20-40 years ago should have little to no input on the program?) 3) having to bend the knee to Tom Osborne (why is he the moral compass for everything?) I think we tried this before and it didn't work out well, but hey let's give it the ol' college try again. At this point, what's it even matter. Link to comment
Xmas32 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 40 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: In this week's Pick 6 Podcast from the OWH, Sam McKewon has some great points about Trev (and the rest of the football program and fans) need to allow the next head coach (whomever he is) to do things the way that new coach sees fit. That includes doing things a lot different than what has been done traditionally. Items which should be open to change: 1) the walk-on program (why carry 60-70 additional guys if only 5-10 of them are going to play on Saturdays) 2) having to cow-tow to past players (guys who played 20-40 years ago should have little to no input on the program?) 3) having to bend the knee to Tom Osborne (why is he the moral compass for everything?) There are other items which Sam mentioned, but I can't remember them off-hand. The football program has been meddling for the past 20 years. Maybe we should trust a new coach to let run the organization as he sees fit. OMG YES. 1 Link to comment
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 16 hours ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said: I dont think it would be that hard to find a coach who could at least get us back on track. Out of the last 4 coaches hired: Pelini had us winning an amount that we would all take right now, Riley was an absolute poor choice by a bad AD, Callahan the exact same, and Frost was the only one that looked good to everyone on paper but just wasn't it for whatever reason. I feel like even if we get someone who is the bottom coach on some people's list, Matt Campbell, can get us back to a solid bowl team pretty quickly and then we figure it out from there once we have stability and culture. If we had Eichorst still I would be worried but I just think even if Trev plays it safe he will not pick a Mike Riley Or Callahan who were both chosen after either not looking or not getting anyone we actually wanted. Hell even Pederson almost got us Mike Zimmer who would have been a slam dunk, and I seriously doubt we are gonna get outbid on our #1 choice this time. Yeah but the question is who that #1 choice is. It will quite possibly be a guy that nobody else is interested in. If you're happy with 6-8 wins a year and just being average, then go ahead and hire a guy like Klieman/Campbell/Leipold. 1 1 Link to comment
TonkaSker Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 53 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: Items which should be open to change: 1) the walk-on program (why carry 60-70 additional guys if only 5-10 of them are going to play on Saturdays) It's really understated how hard it is to develop and build relationships with your scholarship players when walk-ons get non-zero minutes in practice. Not saying it's the cause, but it's definitely contributed to attrition in some respect. Imagine being a 4* from Miami, it's cold, it's tough enough to adjust, and your coach is spending 15 minutes each practice helping Sammy from McCook work on his hand placement he's only going to use in the spring game. Doesn't seem like a serious way to approach development. 53 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said: 2) having to cow-tow to past players (guys who played 20-40 years ago should have little to no input on the program?) 3) having to bend the knee to Tom Osborne (why is he the moral compass for everything?) Agreed. Not sure why everything needs to be a family reunion. Sure, pay homage and all but none of these guys (even Osborne) are ultimately accountable for the football product. It's unprofessional. Maybe there's some idealism there as those guys have a lot of sway with fans and are good for PR, but I'm hoping they can be set straight and just let the next guy coach. 2 1 Link to comment
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 11 hours ago, M.A. said: 15 coaches who "could" be Nebraska's HC Matt Campbell Shawn Clark Dave Aranda Chris Klieman Kalen DeBoer Matt Entz Luke Fickell Matt Rhule Mickey Joseph Lance Leipold Jim Leonhard Jeff Grimes Mark Stoops Jamey Chadwell Charles Huff Oh, there are way more than that... Urban Meyer Troy Calhoun Bill O’Brien Mickey Joseph Bob Stoops Mark Stoops Tom Herman Luke Fickell Dave Doeren Jamey Chadwell Todd Monken Craig Bohl Matt Rhule Jeff Monken Lane Kiffin Jim Leonhard Chris Petersen Gary Patterson Lance Leipold Chris Klieman Dave Clawson Sam Pittman Alex Grinch Bret Bielema Kyle Whittingham Mike Gundy Dave Aranda Deion Sanders Matt Entz Dana Holgorsen Pete Golding Brent Vigen Curt Cignetti Shawn Clark 1 Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, TonkaSker said: It's really understated how hard it is to develop and build relationships with your scholarship players when walk-ons get non-zero minutes in practice. Not saying it's the cause, but it's definitely contributed to attrition in some respect. Imagine being a 4* from Miami, it's cold, it's tough enough to adjust, and your coach is spending 15 minutes each practice helping Sammy from McCook work on his hand placement he's only going to use in the spring game. Doesn't seem like a serious way to approach development. Great points! I think there is a place for the walk-on program, but it needs to be used strategically and more manageable in numbers. It doesn't need to be 60-70+ players just to appease some historical thinking of "that's how it was done when NU was at our peak, it should be that way now". Of course, whenever someone tries to better manage the walk-on program, the message is "Coach X is killing the walk-on program!!!!" 1 1 Link to comment
TonkaSker Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, ColoradoHusk said: Great points! I think there is a place for the walk-on program, but it needs to be used strategically and more manageable in numbers. It doesn't need to be 60-70+ players just to appease some historical thinking of "that's how it was done when NU was at our peak, it should be that way now". Of course, whenever someone tries to better manage the walk-on program, the message is "Coach X is killing the walk-on program!!!!" Thanks. Obviously walk-ons are an important depth piece and great for ethos, but there are so many hours available for development and technique. It's pretty obvious that this was an area that killed Frost's staff. 1 Link to comment
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 The more I hear from supposed "insiders" about who TA's top targets are, the more I hope that Mickey Joseph is successful. At least he can recruit and has connections to solid coordinators. 1 Link to comment
Huskerfollower4life Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: The more I hear from supposed "insiders" about who TA's top targets are, the more I hope that Mickey Joseph is successful. At least he can recruit and has connections to solid coordinators. Me too and get rid of Erik Chinander. 1 Link to comment
thexyz Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: Oh, there are way more than that... Urban Meyer Troy Calhoun Bill O’Brien Mickey Joseph Bob Stoops Mark Stoops Tom Herman Luke Fickell Dave Doeren Jamey Chadwell Todd Monken Craig Bohl Matt Rhule Jeff Monken Lane Kiffin Jim Leonhard Chris Petersen Gary Patterson Lance Leipold Chris Klieman Dave Clawson Sam Pittman Alex Grinch Bret Bielema Kyle Whittingham Mike Gundy Dave Aranda Deion Sanders Matt Entz Dana Holgorsen Pete Golding Brent Vigen Curt Cignetti Shawn Clark No doubt. Thanks for sharing! Link to comment
huskerfan99 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: The more I hear from supposed "insiders" about who TA's top targets are, the more I hope that Mickey Joseph is successful. At least he can recruit and has connections to solid coordinators. The only problem with that is history has proven time and time again hiring the interim coach isn’t the answer either. Dabo is a once in a lifetime story. Link to comment
thexyz Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Interesting…I might make a call to listen to his perspectives. Payton likely isn’t going to coach college football though. Link to comment
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Huskerfollower4life said: Me too and get rid of Erik Chinander. Oh, that goes without question. If he can somehow bring in his brother Vance, look out! Link to comment
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, M.A. said: Interesting…I might make a call to listen to his perspectives. Payton likely isn’t going to coach college football though. Might as well offer Bill Cowher 1 Link to comment
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