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25 minutes ago, TonkaSker said:

He had plenty of help along the way in Harvey Perlman.

 

Nice read for the day: https://dennispcrawford.medium.com/this-is-a-piece-i-wrote-after-last-years-purdue-debacle-11cec1d47c2a

 

There is tons of room for argument in Dennis Crawford's opinion. 

 

There were off-the-field reasons for firing Frank Solich, backed by significant donor support for the move. We can agree or not in hindsight, but it's silly to keep ignoring that fact. 

 

Steve Pederson was a slam-dunk hire as athletic director; a Nebraska guy who earned a national reputation elsewhere, returning home to steer the Nebraska ship into modern college football. We all loved the hire at the time. There is no reason to pretend it was either stupid or Machiavellian by Perlman. 

 

As I recall 2002, us fans assumed Nebraska was a preferred destination in college football, and even Solich supporters were curious which big name coach we were going to land. Bill Callahan was a big name but a desperation move, and we all knew it. Kind of a wake-up call for everybody. 

 

Perlman had a toxic relationship with Bo Pelini? No kidding? We have two tape recordings of what it might be like to work with Bo Pelini, and 8 post-Nebraska seasons of Bo Pelini wearing out his welcome at other schools. Even then, prior to 2014, Eichorst gave Pelini a contract extension, bigger budget, and an extra recruiting plane, plus a PR initiative from the athletic department to warm up Bo's image. By the end of the season, Bo had still divided the fanbase. Many people didn't want him fired. Many people did. The rest demanded some kind of change. Bo's firing wasn't a reckless over-reach by Perlman or Eichorst. Neither was firing Eichorst. 

 

Did Harvy Perlman resent that his reputation as the head of the most revered institution and largest employer in Nebraska would be determined by the success of the football coach? No doubt.

 

Perlman is gone. Eichorst is gone. Bo is gone. Riley is gone. Moos is gone.

 

We landed our dream coach and another Husker great as our AD. P5 schools turn flailing and toxic programs around all the time. Four seasons is a pretty big window for change, and the program has actually gotten worse. Blaming Harvey Perlman is the exact opposite of what we need to do moving forward. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

There is tons of room for argument in Dennis Crawford's opinion. 

 

There were off-the-field reasons for firing Frank Solich, backed by significant donor support for the move. We can agree or not in hindsight, but it's silly to keep ignoring that fact. 

 

Steve Pederson was a slam-dunk hire as athletic director; a Nebraska guy who earned a national reputation elsewhere, returning home to steer the Nebraska ship into modern college football. We all loved the hire at the time. There is no reason to pretend it was either stupid or Machiavellian by Perlman. 

 

As I recall 2002, us fans assumed Nebraska was a preferred destination in college football, and even Solich supporters were curious which big name coach we were going to land. Bill Callahan was a big name but a desperation move, and we all knew it. Kind of a wake-up call for everybody. 

 

Perlman had a toxic relationship with Bo Pelini? No kidding? We have two tape recordings of what it might be like to work with Bo Pelini, and 8 post-Nebraska seasons of Bo Pelini wearing out his welcome at other schools. Even then, prior to 2014, Eichorst gave Pelini a contract extension, bigger budget, and an extra recruiting plane, plus a PR initiative from the athletic department to warm up Bo's image. By the end of the season, Bo had still divided the fanbase. Many people didn't want him fired. Many people did. The rest demanded some kind of change. Bo's firing wasn't a reckless over-reach by Perlman or Eichorst. Neither was firing Eichorst. 

 

Did Harvy Perlman resent that his reputation as the head of the most revered institution and largest employer in Nebraska would be determined by the success of the football coach? No doubt.

 

Perlman is gone. Eichorst is gone. Bo is gone. Riley is gone. Moos is gone.

 

We landed our dream coach and another Husker great as our AD. P5 schools turn flailing and toxic programs around all the time. Four seasons is a pretty big window for change, and the program has actually gotten worse. Blaming Harvey Perlman is the exact opposite of what we need to do moving forward. 

 

Perlman resented more than you're giving him "credit" for.....including Osborne being more influential than him with the regents and high level donors 

 

Pelini's most famous rants came well after Perlman started his mission to scoot Osborne out of the way and get rid of Pelini.....but you've regurgitated your opinion on Pelini enough it isn't worth further discussion.

 

Perlman's retirement statement about his legacy with Nebraska football is his own wording and highly accurate.

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30 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

Im riding and dying with Scott Frost till it's official over. It's like the Titanic go down with the ship or try and get into a rescue boat. I'm going down with the ship until it can't float anymore.

 

I know I'm critical, but I feel the same way. I am going to root for Nebraska to win every game and believe a successful season is still possible.

 

A lot of the criticism is gut feelings and predictions, and if forced to speculate (what else can you do on a fanboard?) you wouldn't lay Vegas money on Scott Frost. 

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20 minutes ago, TheSker said:

Perlman resented more than you're giving him "credit" for.....including Osborne being more influential than him with the regents and high level donors 

 

Pelini's most famous rants came well after Perlman started his mission to scoot Osborne out of the way and get rid of Pelini.....but you've regurgitated your opinion on Pelini enough it isn't worth further discussion.

 

Perlman's retirement statement about his legacy with Nebraska football is his own wording and highly accurate.

 

Still not clear on what you actually disagree with in my assessment, other than the likelihood that Perlman had even more reason to resent the football program defining the entire University system. 

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2 hours ago, TonkaSker said:

I think a pretty interesting question is what happens to frost after he's gone.

 

Solich's legacy isn't failing to maintain NU, he's been vindicated and he deserves a statue for his job at Ohio. Hope he comes home to get honored during a TV timeout eventually, maybe it breaks the curse lol.

 

Scott is a likely candidate to hunt elk for a year or two, wash his reputation under Saban/Napier/Dabo and return as a G5 HC. I could see him running a solid program somewhere with rich recruiting ground and no media using lessons learned. Think Texas State/ Florida Atlantic/ Troy (lol)/ Eastern Carolina. Easy to recruit and low pressure. 

 

Real question is who makes the 12-team playoff first? Nebraska by clawing through the new-look big ten or Scott by going 11-1 in the Sun Belt?

 

Even if fired today, Scott would fair better than Sun Belt. Everyone in the country knows there is something wrong with Nebraska that extends well beyond the head coach. He'd have offers from the ACC, PAC 12, or Big 12 the minute he was let go. I would be surprised if he isn't already fielding inquiries. - Scott, if things go south, would you be interested type questions. He's accomplished WAYYYYYYY more than Lane fricken Kiffen, and look how many chances that goof has gotten. 

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10 minutes ago, TheSker said:

A wise chancellor might embrace such a thing.

 

Wise chancellor's know the lay of the land, but they don't have to love it. 

 

And you gotta admit, the balance is a little more skewed at NU than a lot of schools.

 

Wise chancellors have also overseen the firing of winning if controversial coaches, many times. 

 

IIRC, you have moved on from blaming Harvey Perlman for Scott Frost's performance, and that's all I'm really talking about. 

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6 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Even if fired today, Scott would fair better than Sun Belt. Everyone in the country knows there is something wrong with Nebraska that extends well beyond the head coach. He'd have offers from the ACC, PAC 12, or Big 12 the minute he was let go. I would be surprised if he isn't already fielding inquiries. - Scott, if things go south, would you be interested type questions. He's accomplished WAYYYYYYY more than Lane fricken Kiffen, and look how many chances that goof has gotten. 

 

I'm not sure it's true anymore that Nebraska is damaged goods. Giving frost additional time and resources has done a lot to be an attractive destination for a coach. It's pretty well understood that poor coaching and development has been the issue the last three years. Unless something wild happens (Harbaugh to the NFL, James Franklin leaving PSU, Saban retiring) this is probably one of the more turnkey jobs that will open up this year.

 

Steven Godfrey's a national guy and had a lot of really positive things to say about the program and he's as keyed into the coaching market as anyone who actually talks about it instead of just breaking news and getting clicks. The problems the program had when Solich and Bo were hired are gone and the perception is that we're aligned as an organization with a lot of great things to offer (NIL, facilities, conference alignment).

 

And as for scott taking on work, why? He seems fried. Guy needs to hunt elk and golf for a couple years.

 

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2 minutes ago, TonkaSker said:

 

I'm not sure it's true anymore that Nebraska is damaged goods. Giving frost additional time and resources has done a lot to be an attractive destination for a coach. It's pretty well understood that poor coaching and development has been the issue the last three years. Unless something wild happens (Harbaugh to the NFL, James Franklin leaving PSU, Saban retiring) this is probably one of the more turnkey jobs that will open up this year.

 

Steven Godfrey's a national guy and had a lot of really positive things to say about the program and he's as keyed into the coaching market as anyone who actually talks about it instead of just breaking news and getting clicks. The problems the program had when Solich and Bo were hired are gone and the perception is that we're aligned as an organization with a lot of great things to offer (NIL, facilities, conference alignment).

 

And as for scott taking on work, why? He seems fried. Guy needs to hunt elk and golf for a couple years.

 

 

Everyone's fried. Scott's young and he's driven, ambitious, and hungry. Life hasn't taken it out of him yet. He'll keep going, even if it's not what might be "mentally" best for him.

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Just now, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Everyone's fried. Scott's young and he's driven, ambitious, and hungry. Life hasn't taken it out of him yet. He'll keep going, even if it's not what might be "mentally" best for him.

 

I agree, it just seems like the trend for buyout guys to take a sabbatical. Check out Dan Mullen's instagram lol.

 

Scott will be back, just seems like a year or two out of the spotlight helps his shot at getting more preferable work. 

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2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Not sure why a Husker coach being successful elsewhere would make you "hopeful" as a Nebraska fan. 

 

Hopeful for a sober minded hindsight from the fanbase. We too often hold far too much animosity towards those who fail or leave here.

2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Not sure why a Husker coach being successful elsewhere would make you "hopeful" as a Nebraska fan. 

 

Hopeful for a sober minded hindsight from the fanbase. We too often hold far too much animosity towards those who fail or leave here.

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16 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

There is tons of room for argument in Dennis Crawford's opinion. 

 

There were off-the-field reasons for firing Frank Solich, backed by significant donor support for the move. We can agree or not in hindsight, but it's silly to keep ignoring that fact. 

 

Steve Pederson was a slam-dunk hire as athletic director; a Nebraska guy who earned a national reputation elsewhere, returning home to steer the Nebraska ship into modern college football. We all loved the hire at the time. There is no reason to pretend it was either stupid or Machiavellian by Perlman. 

 

As I recall 2002, us fans assumed Nebraska was a preferred destination in college football, and even Solich supporters were curious which big name coach we were going to land. Bill Callahan was a big name but a desperation move, and we all knew it. Kind of a wake-up call for everybody. 

 

Perlman had a toxic relationship with Bo Pelini? No kidding? We have two tape recordings of what it might be like to work with Bo Pelini, and 8 post-Nebraska seasons of Bo Pelini wearing out his welcome at other schools. Even then, prior to 2014, Eichorst gave Pelini a contract extension, bigger budget, and an extra recruiting plane, plus a PR initiative from the athletic department to warm up Bo's image. By the end of the season, Bo had still divided the fanbase. Many people didn't want him fired. Many people did. The rest demanded some kind of change. Bo's firing wasn't a reckless over-reach by Perlman or Eichorst. Neither was firing Eichorst. 

 

Did Harvy Perlman resent that his reputation as the head of the most revered institution and largest employer in Nebraska would be determined by the success of the football coach? No doubt.

 

Perlman is gone. Eichorst is gone. Bo is gone. Riley is gone. Moos is gone.

 

We landed our dream coach and another Husker great as our AD. P5 schools turn flailing and toxic programs around all the time. Four seasons is a pretty big window for change, and the program has actually gotten worse. Blaming Harvey Perlman is the exact opposite of what we need to do moving forward. 

 

Talk about tons of room for argument. 

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SF's legacy will be one of a narcissist who came into a P5 head coaching job, because he spent two years at a low level FBS school, where he was fortunate enough to have had an amazing QB and super easy schedule leading to an undefeated season.  Then Nebraska came calling.  His now even more inflated sense of self worth caused him to make bombastic claims about his new conference, even before his team took a snap.  Now here he is 5 years later sitting with twice as many losses than wins, no bowl games, a couple of NCAA investigations and penalties, and with his ego still making stupid mind numbing game time decisions, and all this from the highest paid coach in Nebraska history.  A legacy of a loser who if his name would have been anything other than Scott Frost, wouldn't still be coaching at Nebraska.  

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