BigRedBuster Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TGHusker said: Buttttt we are keeping our OL coach whose job is to prepare the guys to KNOW who there are suppose to block. It is one thing to have them prepared physically (S&C) and another on the knowledge side. So, my concern is - will they improve knowledge wise wt the current OL coach. Hopefullly (there is that word again) Rhule will be able to help Riola to coach up the OL. I've thought about that. And, the only thing I can hope for is that the way practices were ran, didn't give linemen a chance to know what they were supposed to do. Maybe this and strength and conditioning were things that Raiola talked to Rhule about and why it didn't work last year. Maybe he had ideas on how to improve both areas that aligned with what Rhule wants. 1 Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said: Maybe this and strength and conditioning were things that Raiola talked to Rhule about and why it didn't work last year. Maybe he had ideas on how to improve both areas that aligned with what Rhule wants. This has got to be the reason he was retained. Of course Raiola only had one year with Frost and coming from the NFL he may have seen huge deficiencies in the program. Judging by Frost's total lack of attention and particularly lack of attention to details, I could see this being the issue. Kind of hard being the new guy and insisting on wide scale changes in the S&C program and how the line blocks. Also- some of that could be on Whip as well. If someone could write a book about the behind the curtain aspects of the Frost era, it would probably be an interesting read. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Gorillahawk Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, TGHusker said: Buttttt we are keeping our OL coach whose job is to prepare the guys to KNOW who there are suppose to block. It is one thing to have them prepared physically (S&C) and another on the knowledge side. So, my concern is - will they improve knowledge wise wt the current OL coach. Hopefullly (there is that word again) Rhule will be able to help Riola to coach up the OL. This was a problem the entire time Frost was the coach. I'm hoping it was more a Frost issue then Riola issue Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gorillahawk said: This was a problem the entire time Frost was the coach. I'm hoping it was more a Frost issue then Riola issue Do you think the scheme was too difficult - too complex?? I know there have been discussions about zone block verses what - man to man?? Is zone blocking all about blocking someone who enters your zone of responsibility?? I don't fully understand the concept. If I understand it correctly, in the days of our Pipeline glory, we were all about putting a helmet on another and aggressively getting pancakes. While zone has less of an emphasis in aggressiveness but on protecting your area of influence. Is that correct or am I way off on this. Quote Link to comment
Gorillahawk Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, TGHusker said: Do you think the scheme was too difficult - too complex?? I know there have been discussions about zone block verses what - man to man?? Is zone blocking all about blocking someone who enters your zone of responsibility?? I don't fully understand the concept. If I understand it correctly, in the days of our Pipeline glory, we were all about putting a helmet on another and aggressively getting pancakes. While zone has less of an emphasis in aggressiveness but on protecting your area of influence. Is that correct or am I way off on this. I think zone blocking is a more difficult concept in some ways. Gap/down blocking with a pulling o-lineman is very easy to teach, and easy to get kids to be aggressive because they can be sure in what they are doing Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gorillahawk said: I think zone blocking is a more difficult concept in some ways. Gap/down blocking with a pulling o-lineman is very easy to teach, and easy to get kids to be aggressive because they can be sure in what they are doing Is it just me, or did our offense with pulling linemen basically disappear this year? Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said: Is it just me, or did our offense with pulling linemen basically disappear this year? For sure. And by the way, what is a screen?? I don't recall much in the way of screen plays either. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, TGHusker said: For sure. And by the way, what is a screen?? I don't recall much in the way of screen plays either. No, not a screen. Heck, last year we even had pulling linemen in pass protection. Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: No, not a screen. Heck, last year we even had pulling linemen in pass protection. I think they were pulling to get out of the way of the rushing D lineman who were chancing CT around the field. 2 Quote Link to comment
GSG Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Maybe part of the issue with not pulling lineman or running screens, etc. was due to our linemen not being fleet of foot do anything like that 1 Quote Link to comment
thexyz Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Now he could load from the opposite side to work the complementary muscles. How about baskets of tennis balls into a truck! Quote Link to comment
gobiggergoredder Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 9:46 AM, BigRedBuster said: I've thought about that. And, the only thing I can hope for is that the way practices were ran, didn't give linemen a chance to know what they were supposed to do. I still think this is a bigger problem than S&C or coaching. We all heard the practices lacked physicality. But all we really heard about was defense. Imagine what it would be like to prepare with little contact and then take on Wisconsin or Iowa D-Line. I think we’ve seen the results. 1 Quote Link to comment
SouthLincoln Husker Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 3 hours ago, gobiggergoredder said: I still think this is a bigger problem than S&C or coaching. We all heard the practices lacked physicality. But all we really heard about was defense. Imagine what it would be like to prepare with little contact and then take on Wisconsin or Iowa D-Line. I think we’ve seen the results. Did you watch out tackles? They were slowwwwwww. That's doing the right drills & strength training to make them quicker & more agile. Also getting recruits who already have good footwork and want to be at Nebraska. 1 Quote Link to comment
thexyz Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 9:52 AM, TGHusker said: This has got to be the reason he was retained. Of course Raiola only had one year with Frost and coming from the NFL he may have seen huge deficiencies in the program. Judging by Frost's total lack of attention and particularly lack of attention to details, I could see this being the issue. Kind of hard being the new guy and insisting on wide scale changes in the S&C program and how the line blocks. Also- some of that could be on Whip as well. If someone could write a book about the behind the curtain aspects of the Frost era, it would probably be an interesting read. With respect to S&C different player positions need to be trained differently. Also each individual player's needs vary somewhat. Stretching and strengthening go together and training the whole body as a unit. Some will argue against stretching for building strength but that has to do with timing and the amount done and duration in relation to times. People recover somewhat differently. There's got to be some tailoring going on for each person. A lineman trains differently than a receiver, etc. Speed, power, agility and a number of things to consider. It's hard to say what has been going on or not going on. Perhaps the attention to detail wasn't what it needed to be. Strangely enough, one's breathing habits can play a significant role restricting playing at a higher level. Things being marginally different can have a considerable effect. I don't know...To me Scott appeared and acted tired much of the time. Lack of sleep and other possible considerations really does affect one's ability to function at a high level. It's a demanding profession. 2 Quote Link to comment
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