Coaches, players or both?

Don't know on the issue at hand, but corruption in college football is real. Ohio St was given a touchdown......given a touchdown. All of these conferences have corrupt officials.
 
Why can we move the ball or score in the first half. Typically the first drive or 2 has been chunks down the field. Then it goes stagnant in the second half and teams walk away from us? Thats coaching IMO. Too many 3 and out on O. Too many chunk plays on D and it all unravels. No adjustment or wrong adjustment.

I've heard so much about elite WRs. How little to no separation and too many drops. Line...build a new one on both sides.

Bad angles so many times on D cost us a lot.

Its both coaching and players IMO. But its on coaches the most. If a player isn't producing then get them out, next man up. If we dont have a next man up then that's on you the coach for not getting any or developing any. Just an example Guthrie is our best option? He's been exposed so many times why is he in there
 
The true issue with a lot of these schools is development. IF you spend time developing a player, there is a good chance they leave for greener pastures. But I don't see players getting better from day 1 until they leave. In fact I see player declining often. So the correct answer is coaching. Proof is in the draft. Over the last 15 years we do not put players in the NFL. If you would compare our draft numbers from 80's thru mid 2000'S I am guessing that our drafted players is down over 50%. So coaching is the main issue at hand.
 
Was just going to start this topic…..

Mine was going to be "If you're Rhule, what do you do next?"

Offense:
- I’m doing whatever I can do to keep EJ. Fundraise what absurd amount he wants. Get some kind of insurance policy as well. I actually think we can be competitive with the NFL.
-I'm letting Dylan walk and I'm going after Nico Ilemeava. Dude got bad advice (leadership) from his family. I think they have been humbled and he's going to be a steal for whoever makes the move. The guy is elite.
-I stick with Dana but let him pick the coaches he wants. I'm not sold on Dana yet, but I want him to be the guy.
-I don't care if Barney struggled yesterday. We need to make sure we keep him. He's a baller. Pay him. I also think Hunter could be electric in the right offense.

Defense:
-Need 2 stud D linemen. I like the youth, but we need something now.
-We need as many decent linebackers as we can get. Yesterday.
-We have to find someone to replace Singleton. I think the guy has been grossly underrated this year.
-I think Butler needs to go, but if they go get some dudes, I'd give him another shot. I think if he was any good he would have done something. I think you can coach up D even with a talent gap. He didn't do that.

Special teams:
-Rhule better pay Ekeler. That's all I'm going to say.
 
We don't recruit enough talent. We expect to wave the Big Red N and they will come. Those days are over, and even our HS players in state don't see this as a destination anymore. Winning cures a lot of this, but winning against meaningful teams. Portal players are about a 50% success. Most of the time there are reasons why a player is leaving a team, and usually its negative. We have to get good freshmen recruits, play them and develop them. It says a lot the fact that were still playing Frost recruits for the most part. Says that Rhule has not upgraded talent. Says that we are not getting better.
 
I think the law of averages has to catch up at some point. WE have been down for too long, and we have to have more resources than 2/3 of the Big 10 schools. I might be wrong, but we SHOULD have more resources than 2/3 of the conference. We should be up with Michigan, Ohio St, USC, Oregon, and Penn St.
 
Off spectrum some with this comment. I feel that the Big 10 conference screwed up when we signed with FOX and Peacock/NBC. They don't offer enough exposure to these programs of the Big 10. Quite frankly the Big 10 Network is pretty weak, and its not national enough. Each day I flip thru the ESPN' channels they have some SEC school on doing a week in the life...........each school, every sport. Exposure. Big 10 lacks that big time for the money in the conference. They focus on showing Ohio St, Michigan and maybe Oregon games more often than not. These are the schools who play prime time games.
 
The most interesting Matt Rhule comment all season was after the MN game. He said he was upset with the entitlement attitude from the players and coaches overlooking MN. Yes, it's on the player to execute, but you get what you allow and tolerate. All we hear about is culture, yet you have players and staff overlooking a team that has owned you. Why is NU overlooking anyone?
 
DefenderAO said:
I don't think Rhule is in the details. I don't think he is a very good coach at this level. I picture Cignetti barking at his team for being one step out of line. Eye discipline. "Not good enough. Again!" Repetition. Repetition. Then you get close to perfect. Games become easier than practice. Rhule is yapping it up with podcasters while other coaches are scheming with their Staff.
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runningblind said:
It's the coaches job to get the most out of the players on the roster, to have them prepared, and to have them energized (or at least help in developing leaders on the team who handle that/hold others accountable). I will never place more blame on 19 year olds than the adults making 500k - millions of dollars. We simply should be better than we are right now, and that is Rhule's fault.
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The quotes above summarize where Im at with Rhule. The results are on the coaches and most specifically Rhule.

Unfortunately for us, he's not a football coach (self admitted not an Xs and Os guy). He's not even a great CEO or game manager. He's a great marketeer and tries to practice sports psychiatry (so far not doing it well).

Unlike Cignetti, he doesn't have a strong tradition of winning, he didn't/doesn't have a strong loyal staff (though he knows a lot of people), and so far, outside of a handful of players, there really hasn't been great player development.

Cignetti's pre-Indiana resume is what NU's administration (really every university) should be seeking for the next football coach.
 
Both, but you need money first.

I hate to say it, but we need to model Iowa. We need to develop kids and get some studs to play right now. I would get more money for my assistant coach pool.

When Donnie moves on, I would endow the OL coach position and call it the Milt Tenipor (sorry if I spelled it wrong) OL coach, and guarantee it pays 1 million a year, and find the best OL coach there is. Might be Bill C. if he still wants to coach.

We need new Coordinators. I am done with HCMR too, but you cannot get rid of him now.

The real issue is if you want to be Michigan and tOSU, you need to spend like them.
 
You can't call million dollar players kids. They need to grow the hell up and work for that kind of money. They are employees for NFL lite. If they want to be in this league they need to learn what it takes quickly. If they can't handle it in college, they'll fold in the NFL where everyone is as good or better than the best college players. The crappiest team in the NFL would mow down the national championship team this year.

I think Rhule's biggest problem might actually be he cares for people more than winning. Look at Saban, he tossed his NC winning QB Hurts when the next better one came along.

People want a winner coach. But more than likely they won't like what the guy has to do to get there in this environment.
 
For the life of me I cannot figure out why we went away from our strengths. Pipeline OL and nasty Blackshirts defense. Yes we needed to improve QB and WR but chasing those shiny objects while foregoing the foundation has damaged this program a lot. Watching OSU and Michigan right now, and EJ is better than any RB on the field. But the OSU back is able to go into holes because of the OSU OL. Sayin has not been hit the entire game.

What I am getting at is if we focused on our lines the skill players would suddenly improve and benefit greatly.
 
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