Comparing Nebraska's most colorful coaches of late

[Saunders]

Bo was a big name coordinator at big name schools. That goes a long way in CFB.

Barry Collier and Doc Sadler both had HC experience and they both sucked so having experience doesn't make you a worthier hire.

i agree. but i do remember being excited about miles. thinking they really got it right.

just for a separate discussion, it seems like many successful coaches these days started out as head coaches rather than as coordinators.

JImbo Fisher was a coordinator before taking over at FSU. Gus Mahlzan was a HC for 1 year. Bob Stoops was a coordinator. Brett Bielema was a coordinator. Charlie Strong was a coordinator. Rich Franklin was a coordinator. Mark Dantonio-coordinator. David Shaw-coordinator. Mark Helfrich-coordinator. Sarkisian-coordinator.

Fisher - Same school

Malzahn - Same School

Stoops - UF DC to OU

Bielema - Same School

Strong - UF DC to UL

Frankling - HCIW at Maryland, left to Vandy

Dantanio - HC at Cincinnatti, left to MSU

Sark - USC to UW

 

[StPaulHusker]

Should we again list the universities in modern college football history who have fired a coach who did not win fewer than 9 games in their tenure? I'll look forward to a repeat of that long list.

By all means, go ahead.

This has been and will be the argument that never ceases.

Winning 9 out of 12-13 games is good. It's a 70% winning percentage. The problem is that it takes 90%+ to win games of significance.

The main issue is what your level of tolerance is with Bo. Does he have the upside to get to 90+% or will he stay stagnant at 70%+? Depending on your answer is whether you think he should stay or go.

 

[carlfense]

I'm not supporting Bo infinitely, and again, I'm not comparing him to Dr. Tom. Just simply pointing out the fact that because something hasn't happened, doesn't mean that it can't happen.

If that wasn't comparing Bo and Osborne . . . well . . . I guess that I can't see any other reason why you'd include it. And again, I don't think anyone is saying that it can't happen. Similarly, you can't say that if Bo were fired today we couldn't get a better coach.

As for how long would I support him, as long as he is winning at the clip he is, running a clean program, and graduating players.

Good for you . . . I think that would probably put you in a small minority.

 

[74Hunter]

I have this book at home called "More than Winning," it's a good read.

Interesting. I thought you were all about #9wins and how that impressive (for Nebraska) achievement means we need to hang on to Bo. I didn't know it was about more than winning.

I never said that it can't be both, is that what you're saying.

Oh, and I really don't care about what Bo said, his fiery attitude has never got my panties in a wad.

 

[StPaulHusker]

JImbo Fisher was a coordinator before taking over at FSU. Gus Mahlzan was a HC for 1 year. Bob Stoops was a coordinator. Brett Bielema was a coordinator. Charlie Strong was a coordinator. Rich Franklin was a coordinator. Mark Dantonio-coordinator. David Shaw-coordinator. Mark Helfrich-coordinator. Sarkisian-coordinator.

the coaches underlined were not first time coaches where they ultimately ended up. just like urb and saban. of course every coach begins a coordinator, but most cut there teeth as a head coach before they make it at a big time program. i would like to think nebraska is a big time program.

the coaches not underlined were coordinators at programs where they took over for the head coach, generally pretty successful programs were left to them.

Your arguments are weak.

Malzahn-1 year at Ark St.

Dantonio-2 years at Cincy. Maybe I grant you that.

Strong-NO HC experience. Takes Louisville to a BCS

Franklin-No HC experience when taking the job at Vandy. Parlays into big payday at PSU

Sarkisian-NO HC experience when taking job at UW. parlays into big payday at USC

And as far as coordinators taking over successful programs-that doesn't mean they continue the same success.

i guess we will have to disagree. the the big payday is the point. they got experience and then their big payday. bo just got the big payday i do not think he was ready for it. and sark and strong took weaker programs and did good (i would argue bo has done better than them here at donu; although strong is debatable, he got them to a bcs in a weak conference. but i will grant you strong, then), but they exceeded their expectations (strong by a lot).

i just think that if bo is replaced, we might want to look at a coach with head coaching experience.

just for a separate discussion, it seems like many successful coaches these days started out as head coaches rather than as coordinators.

This was you right? You said nothing about paydays.

 

[zoogs]

When is your cutoff? Will you support the status quo indefinitely?

I'm not supporting Bo infinitely, and again, I'm not comparing him to Dr. Tom.

As for how long would I support him, as long as he is winning at the clip he is, running a clean program, and graduating players.

So...indefinitely, then?

 

[74Hunter]

I'm not supporting Bo infinitely, and again, I'm not comparing him to Dr. Tom. Just simply pointing out the fact that because something hasn't happened, doesn't mean that it can't happen.

If that wasn't comparing Bo and Osborne . . . well . . . I guess that I can't see any other reason why you'd include it. And again, I don't think anyone is saying that it can't happen. Similarly, you can't say that if Bo were fired today we couldn't get a better coach.

As for how long would I support him, as long as he is winning at the clip he is, running a clean program, and graduating players.

Good for you . . . I think that would probably put you in a small minority.

I most certainly didn't compare the two, of you can't see that then it's not my problem.

I certainly can't say for sure that if we fired Bo that we couldn't get a better coach. But I can make an informed, educated decision based on history and from what people on the coaching fraternity and those who are involved in college football say. That information tells me that the chances of getting a better coach are slim.

Lastly, just because you disagree with Bo, it doesn't make you the majority. If you want to use this poll as evidence even with it's small sample size, it would show just the opposite. Open your mind, your opinion isn't always the popular opinion.

 

[74Hunter]

When is your cutoff? Will you support the status quo indefinitely?

I'm not supporting Bo infinitely, and again, I'm not comparing him to Dr. Tom.

As for how long would I support him, as long as he is winning at the clip he is, running a clean program, and graduating players.

So...indefinitely, then?

You're smarter than that, if we start putting up 6 and 7 seasons (for instance) my stance would likely change.

 

[Landlord]

Seriously though someone list the schools.

 

[zoogs]

You're smarter than that, if we start putting up 6 and 7 seasons (for instance) my stance would likely change.

You do know what status quo means, right?

I'm not supporting Bo infinitely, and again, I'm not comparing him to Dr. Tom.

Starting to think most of this is just confusion over definitions that are getting mixed up in transit.

I guess we did settle for #9/10 wins with Dr. Tom for quite some time, but then again the entitled fans almost ran him out of town, too. #3 MNCs

Agree 100%. Even when TO was racking up MNCs, we weren't bringing in top 5 classes every year.

Too bad TO was a #9win coach for much of his career.

 

[carlfense]

I most certainly didn't compare the two, of you can't see that then it's not my problem.

Then why, exactly, did you include the comment about Tom taking 20 years to win the big one?

But I can make an informed, educated decision based on history . . .

That's interesting.

Lastly, just because you disagree with Bo, it doesn't make you the majority. If you want to use this poll as evidence even with it's small sample size, it would show just the opposite. Open your mind, your opinion isn't always the popular opinion.

. . . also doesn't make my opinion wrong.

 

[carlfense]

You do know what status quo means, right? . . .

. . . Starting to think most of this is just confusion over definitions that are getting mixed up in transit. . . .

Yeah. It only makes sense if he is either ignoring or doesn't know what "status quo" and "comparison" means. I'm not sure how else you can get there from here.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Just to get the facts straight: Tom Osborne won 9 games only 10 of his 25 seasons as HC. Less than 50%

The other 15 seasons he won 10 or more.

 

[Landlord]

Bo has won 9 games 3 out of his 6 seasons, exactly 50%

 

[74Hunter]

You do know what status quo means, right? . . .

. . . Starting to think most of this is just confusion over definitions that are getting mixed up in transit. . . .

Yeah. It only makes more sense if he is either ignoring or doesn't know what "status quo" and "comparison" means. I'm not sure how else you can get there from here.

That doesn't mean what y'all think it means. Please show me how many 6-7 seasons the Bo has put up.