Comparing Nebraska's most colorful coaches of late

Well Nebraska was barely ranked for most of the season last year, and didn't qualify to play for the title. The 06 squad did.

 
Mr. Accountability said:
True2tRA said:
Mr. Accountability said:
But with 100% certainty?
I'm only about 85% sure right now. Simply because, again, it's still Nebraska basketball. As great as this year was. As much as we blew past all expectation. As much as it felt completely different, like this was finally team. This group was different. New arena. New facilities. New focus. This is a different Nebraska basketball. Yet, still, we lay an egg in the NCAA tourney. It was a serious gutcheck to me, that yes, until we actually get over the hump, and not up to it, that we are still the same old Nebrasketball. That's all I'm saying. I have no arguement that Miles is not the guy, cuz I think he is too. My point is that the program's history-not Tim's-is what leaves some doubt in my mind.
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If he was in his 7th season and we were still turning our wheels laying eggs in big games, I'd say yea, the shine could wear off then. But the fact that we made 4thin the conference, and a berth in the NCAA tourney in only his 2nd season, I'd guess you would have to expect more, not less, moving forward.

We shall see.
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Yes, we shall. It's just a what if game I'm playing. I do expect more. And I think we'll get there. I just think the comparisons to Bo's first two years are rather interesting. Relative to each respective programs, each coach took over a pretty abismal situation and turned it around rather quickly and created some pretty lofty expectations. After year 2, each had brewed and insane amount of excitement for the future of the programs. In football, we've plateaued, and maybe even regressed a little, and to many, that feels like failure. Will it be the same in basketball? Would football feel this way had we gone say, 7-6, 8-5, 94- and then 10-4 in Bo's first few years? Would the feeling around football now still be a feeling of rebuilding and progress? These are the kinds of things I could talk about for hours.
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Yea bud, I think you're pretty spot on. Like you said, that's what success does, it creates expectations by all. Still, in my opinion, even if Miles next few years start to trend a bit like Bo's career has been recently trending, I'd be willing to bet anybody that Miles is cut a bit more slack than Bo. Not just because of their personalities, Miles is easily more likable, but also because Bo took over a football program that is still nationally considered an elite program. Period. Miles is having succes with a program that until this season, I haven't even heard a national analyst even mention in a basketball conversation.

Is it unfair to think people figured football would be turned around before basketball ever was? I don't think so.

Or is football already turned around?

Is this where we want to be?

Is this where we want basketball to be?

In my opinion no, as I say with football, I apply the same to basketball, we have every resource to be competing amongst the best.

 
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True,

I think in regards to football, "turned around" and "where we want to be" are two different things. Are we where we want to be? Hell no. We're always wanting to be better. To be that team. But are we "turned around"? I think we are. I think the ship is righted and stabilized. Now it's just a matter of taking that next step. Kinda of a "learn to crawl before you can walk" type of deal.

I agree with you as well on Miles having the longer leash so to speak. He does seem more likeable to many (of coures i just happen to like Bo the way he is cuz I just seem to relate to his demeanor better than most) and he is working on something that's "never been there". Bo driving something that's expected and most desired to be there.

 
2009 was quite good, yes. Not revolutionary for the program, but a closer tease to gettig back to traditional Nebraska domimance than 2006. Which still puts it in at least the same stratosphere, as opposed to teasing transcendental, program changing heights.

That's not a knock exactly on Bo, just that football is in a very different place from basketball. The comparison doesn't translate on this level since the things Miles could do, aren't even possible for Bo given the gulf in standards for the two programs.

 
I just don't see how the 2 can possibly be compared aside from the fact that they both accomplished something pretty great in their 2nd years. Bo made it to a conference championship and Tim made it to the NCAA tournament. That is where any similarities or comparisons end.

 
saunders45 said:
NUpolo8 said:
Mr. Accountability said:
NUpolo8 said:
Well Nebraska was barely ranked for most of the season last year, and didn't qualify to play for the title. The 06 squad did.
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And without Zac Taylor?............................
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Maybe it would look more like 2011 then.
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So you're comparing the high point of one to the low point of the other?

Maybe you have been spending too much time on the Iowa boards.
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Some said there were no comparisons to any of Bo's years to 2006. That was what I was doing.

 
NUpolo8 said:
Some said there were no comparisons to any of Bo's years to 2006. That was what I was doing.
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I dont think there are. In 2006, we lost 5 games. That was the high point of that era. Bo's worst and/or every has been 9/10-4. He's also made it to conference championship games 50% of the time. Callahan was 1/4 with 2 losing seasons. Now, if you wanna nitpick Bo's worst year or two and compare it to the best of that era, that's fine. I wont argue with that because it's your opinion. But I'll stand by what I said. No year under Pelini has been worse than any year in the Callahan days. Equal at the very worst.......

Mr. Accountability said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
zoogies said:
Mr. Accountability said:
I just think the comparisons to Bo's first two years are rather interesting. Relative to each respective programs, each coach took over a pretty abismal situation and turned it around rather quickly and created some pretty lofty expectations.
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Woah woah woah, huge difference between taking a program to lofty heights it hadn't seen in 16 years and being one win from the highest program achievement ever, and returning Nebraska football to 2006 levels.
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I think 2009 is far beyond 2006 levels, personally.
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That's what I was thinking. As well as a top 5 ranking, even if for a week, in 2010. 2006 was Callahan's absolute high point. It would take some convincing on anyone's part to get me to agree that any part of the Pelini tenure has been worse than 2006. MAYBE equal at the very worst.
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2011 and 2013 Nebraska did not win its division, by that method, they were worse years than 2006, regardless of injuries, meteors, audiotapes, bowl wins, bowl losses or Cthulu

 
NUpolo8 said:
2011 and 2013 Nebraska did not win its division, by that method, they were worse years than 2006, regardless of injuries, meteors, audiotapes, bowl wins, bowl losses or Cthulu
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So if we go 11-1 in the reg season next year and dont win the division (which is plenty possible), win a pretty HQ bowl game and finish 12-1, it wouldnt be as good as 2012, '10, or '09. Got it.

 
Nevermind Polo. After some thought, I'm gonna backpedal on this some. I'll concede that 2006 may have been a smidgin better than 2013 and 2011. Simply because we were rather competitive (from a score standpoint) in our losses. Losses that were against some stellar competition. USC, Texas, and OU were top 10 teams, and Auburn was the only team that year to beat the National Champions. So looking back, 2006 was much more stellar than I'm giving credit for. Guess my judgement is a little clouded by that entire time frame.

 
That 2006 team was just like all of the rest of our good teams over the last decade.

Great against patsys, pretty decent against decent teams with one or two hiccups (overtime vs Kansas and the loss to Oklahoma State where we started the game out 17-0), and sputtering to an ugly hault against the top competition.

 
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Nevermind Polo. After some thought, I'm gonna backpedal on this some. I'll concede that 2006 may have been a smidgin better than 2013 and 2011. Simply because we were rather competitive (from a score standpoint) in our losses. Losses that were against some stellar competition. USC, Texas, and OU were top 10 teams, and Auburn was the only team that year to beat the National Champions. So looking back, 2006 was much more stellar than I'm giving credit for. Guess my judgement is a little clouded by that entire time frame.
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Yeah looking back and realizing 2006 had lots of people pointing to 2007 as a dark horse BCS championship team is both pretty telling and hilarious now.

 
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