Comparing Nebraska's most colorful coaches of late

[NUinID]

I'm not being realistic in thinking a coach who promised championships should maybe deliver in one of the easiest AQ conferences and schedules out there? Ok.

Promised them?

Of course. You must be new around here, we ARE Nebraska, it's our birthright.

***NEW TALKING POINT ALERT***

Bo said that he was here to win championships. However, he did not set a time frame to do that, nor did he promise anything. So, do not hold him to that standard.

You know, Polo, I agree with an awful lot of what you say, but even I'm getting tired of this schtick.

Every coach comes in promising championships. Somewhere down the line. It's what they do.

You don't come in to a hungry fanbase and announce that you're here for incremental improvement that may be slow and painful. You get them excited and put your own a$$ on the line. That's what Bo Pelini has done. I haven't seen any posters claiming they're fine with the status quo. Bo isn't fine with it, either. That's why he's on the razor's edge of getting fired and everybody knows it. He likely has only one season left to prove it on the field. Everybody gets that, too, so I'm unclear who you are trying to convince with your prolific posting.

Every season Nebraska will be going up against at least three Big Ten programs who also believe championships are their birthright.

You seem to believe that winning a championship is as simple as wanting it.

Are you suggesting the standard to which we are holding Bo Pelini is not sufficiently high?

That may be the best post in this whole thread. +1

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[knapplc]

For the record, I don't believe staff changes would have been made if we had lost that bowl game.

 

[74Hunter]

For the record, I don't believe staff changes would have been made if we had lost that bowl game.

You could be right, but what changes are needed? Maybe Els has too much on his plate,and obviously Barney needs to be tarred, feathered, then drawn and quartered (sarcasm) , but I think that the defense made progress last year, the OL did surprisingly well considering the injuries.

Is the change being called for just for changes sake? Doesn't stability mean anything?

 

[Scratchtown]

Danny Nee acted in this way though all while finishing his last season 11-19.

Its not the same thing. Yes similar but until Bo goes 6-6 or worse, I really don't think he's going anywhere.

 

[Scratchtown]

That's true, zoogies. Finding another Tim Miles, but to coach football, is likely unrealistic. Miles seems like a once-in-a-lifetime hire. And the guy who hired him retired.

But Bo needs to realize that he's the public image of this institution, and right now, that image is pretty tarnished. And worst of all, by many recent interviews, he doesn't believe he's doing anything wrong.

I just got done basically saying that I support Bo in a few posts over the course of the day, but this made me start thinking back to the coaches clinic last weekend. There is such a guy that is like Tim Miles out there. He's taking a year off this year. His name is Ed Orgeron. Seriously. He is the ONLY guy that would fit the personality the Nebraska fan base wants. Understand this. He is a FAR FAR better coach than he was at Ole Miss. I talked about that a little bit in another topic.

 

[Landlord]

As of right now I feel that the bowl win incorrectly convinced Bo & co that the status quo was working. As a result, no staff changes were made, something that the majority here thought was a fait accompli. Sure there's a pr thing going on, but that in of itself is going to harbor exactly zero change of the field of play.

We have a new defensive backs coach, and two new non-coaching full-time staff positions for recruiting, so saying there have been no staff changes is erroneous. Even if it wasn't, who would you change? Who isn't doing their job well? This is an honest question - what changes would you make based on the on-the-field product being incontrovertibly due to poor coaching? The only answer I can think of is special teams, and we have heard numerous times that Els isn't on an island coaching that, that a lot of different coaches have input, and that they are going to look hard at the glaring issues such as punt return.

Fumbles. "They're working on it. Have been for years". Well there hasn't been much improvement. Maybe with Taylor gone there will be a drop off. They would suck, I loved Taylor and he gets blamed for enough.

What do you want here? Less fumbles? We all want that. The coaches want that. They HAVE been working on it. Do you not remember the towels? Do you not remember the backs carrying footballs to class ala The Program? The tracking of every fumble in practice? Do you actually understand that coaches are not gods that can impose their omniscient wills on their players? It is an imperfect profession and even the absolute best coaches have tons of things outside the realm of their control.

Basically I do not like the renewal of Kool-aid drinking, changing nothing and expecting different results, and so on.

So you don't like optimism, which is either hilarious or sad, but either way very telling, and you think that nothing has changed.

Nevermind our replacement DBs coach, our two new additional recruiting staff members, our increased use of private planes, a new director of football operations, self-evaluation of special teams, Jamal Turner taking reps at QB, completely new offensive verbage and terminology, and whatever other stories will come out of spring and fall camp. Those don't count. Nothing has changed.

But then I wonder, if the news articles and stories about things that have changed don't count, what are you basing your assumption of "no change" on? Because as far as I know you only consume public info and are not in North stadium or Hawks Champion Center to be privy to any internal discussions or changes in assignments, roles and philosophies. It's not as if you think that the entirety of the situation is only defined by what you personally know as an outsider and that there couldn't possibly be a breadth of knowledge that you have no clue about. So if you're not blessed with inside information, and the public releases of information don't count, then I'm failing to see where your basis of argument is coming from???

So I will ask, sincerely - what makes you think nothing has changed?

Once again, I genuinely do not see you make a single point of substance whatsoever.

 

[74Hunter]

^^^^ GREAT post, LL!!

 

[NUpolo8]

We have a new defensive backs coach

--Yes and I would like to offer my congrats to Bo Pelini for hiring a DB after his old one left on his own volition. It was a bold move to decide that the program needed a DB coach, for this he should probably be extended another 21 years. I think we both know I meant some changes at DC, or special teams. But kudos I guess for playing the semantics game instead of addressing the obvious problems the team had that all of this board saw.

What do you want here? Less fumbles? We all want that. The coaches want that. They HAVE been working on it. Do you not remember the towels? Do you not remember the backs carrying footballs to class ala The Program? The tracking of every fumble in practice? Do you actually understand that coaches are not gods that can impose their omniscient wills on their players

--Oh they've been working on it! Grand! It hasn't worked. And I really hope there is more to their solution to "well gee this movie in 1993 Omar Epps had to hold a football, let's try that!" And if they can't impose their wills on these players are we admitting that they recruited players who have severe ball control issues? Or is the offense too frenetic to keep the ball off the turf? Who knows, but at least they're working on it. I wonder if Neccesary Roughness had any good tackling drills. 90's football movies are an untapped well of quality division 1 coaching skills and I for one am very happy we're drilling that well. Our new swimsuit model place kicker will likely make me forget Alex Henery.

So you don't like optimism, which is either hilarious or sad, but either way very telling, and you think that nothing has changed

-- Its impossible to be a little optimistic yet bring up what worries you? You have to post "ZOMG THIS IS OUR YEAR" to be optimistic? And as for not thinking anything has changed, well google our last six finishes.

Once again, I genuinely do not see you make a single point of substance whatsoever.

--Which has more substance, selfies or youtube videos? I'll endeavor to do better here.

 

[Landlord]

So just to get this straight I point out that I don't think your opinions and arguments have any actual substance and you respond with rabble rabble hyperbole rabble rabble ad hominem rabble rabble strawman rabble rabble conveniently ignore the parts about recruiting staff and planes and news reports about changes to how they do things and rabble rabble fail to actually articulate what you're basing your opinions on when given the chance rabble rabble another ad hominem

 

[NUpolo8]

So just to get this straight I point out that I don't think your opinions and arguments have any actual substance and you respond with rabble rabble hyperbole rabble rabble ad hominem rabble rabble strawman rabble rabble conveniently ignore the parts about recruiting staff and planes and news reports about changes to how they do things and rabble rabble fail to actually articulate what you're basing your opinions on when given the chance rabble rabble another ad hominem

If that's what you saw, then yes.

 

[74Hunter]

So just to get this straight I point out that I don't think your opinions and arguments have any actual substance and you respond with rabble rabble hyperbole rabble rabble ad hominem rabble rabble strawman rabble rabble conveniently ignore the parts about recruiting staff and planes and news reports about changes to how they do things and rabble rabble fail to actually articulate what you're basing your opinions on when given the chance rabble rabble another ad hominem

If that's what you saw, then yes.

I tend to side with Landlord more than you, but since you know all that ails this program and you know that nothing will get any better and we are doomed to the dreaded 9/10 win seasons, I'll ask, what do YOU propose that should be done to cure the ails.

Outside of committing program suicide and blowing this thing up, since you think that you have more knowledge about the situation, I'd love hear some real solutions that this staff can implement so that they can bring you the championship that you deserve.

And I'm not limiting this question to just you, I'd like any of the Bo-lleavers/#9whiners to come up with the solutions. I'd love to see them, and if they are really, really good, maybe we can forward them on to the coaching staff.

I'm being 100 percent serious here. All of this whining got old long ago, it's time for some real solutions, that is if you really care as much about the program as you (and any Bo-leavers) claim to.

 

[knapplc]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

 

[Redux]

I wont even pretend to know what coaches should or shouldnt do to fix turnover problems but Im sure they are trying everything in their power. If thats not the case then yes we have reason to be concerned. But as far as I know none of us are players or staff members so anybody saying verbatim NOTHING is being done is either just stubborn beyond belief or speculating beyond reason.

 

[StPaulHusker]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

You are correct that it is not an absurd, outlandish desire but the fact remains that there isn't one coach that has a magic pill to end all of these things they want to end and if there was one coach, he is probably already one of the highest paid coaches in the country and winning just fine at another school and would have no desire to make a change.

 

[sd'sker]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

i +1'd this (something i rarely do for knapplc, because he has so dagnabit many).

this is spot on. and frankly, i would be just as happy to see bo do those things. i just think we have seen enough for him that without blind hope, it is hard to think that he can.