Comparing Nebraska's most colorful coaches of late

[knapplc]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

You are correct that it is not an absurd, outlandish desire but the fact remains that there isn't one coach that has a magic pill to end all of these things they want to end and if there was one coach, he is probably already one of the highest paid coaches in the country and winning just fine at another school and would have no desire to make a change.

Except Tim Miles. Not that I think it's likely that we're going to land a Tim Miles of football if we axe this staff, but it's possible.

 

[NUpolo8]

I wont even pretend to know what coaches should or shouldnt do to fix turnover problems but Im sure they are trying everything in their power. If thats not the case then yes we have reason to be concerned. But as far as I know none of us are players or staff members so anybody saying verbatim NOTHING is being done is either just stubborn beyond belief or speculating beyond reason.

I would further contend that if they indeed are trying everything in their power, and it's still this bad, like bottom 10 in the FBS bad, that is also a gigantic problem.

 

[NUpolo8]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

i +1'd this (something i rarely do for knapplc, because he has so dagnabit many).

this is spot on. and frankly, i would be just as happy to see bo do those things. i just think we have seen enough for him that without blind hope, it is hard to think that he can.

As usual Knapp goes succinct and accurate. He's such a jerk that way.

He also brought up "getting another Miles", and while that's hard I see optimism in how they got Miles. The Nee/Collier/Sadler processes were a nightmare, so the dept sat down, learned from past mistakes, and got it right. And that was for basketball, clearly not the alpha sport at Nebraska. I see no reason why the same thing wouldn't be done, with more care, for the bread winning flagship sport of the University when a change is made. The claim that it's be "just another Callahan" is insane.

 

[Landlord]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

You are correct that it is not an absurd, outlandish desire but the fact remains that there isn't one coach that has a magic pill to end all of these things they want to end and if there was one coach, he is probably already one of the highest paid coaches in the country and winning just fine at another school and would have no desire to make a change.

Except Tim Miles. Not that I think it's likely that we're going to land a Tim Miles of football if we axe this staff, but it's possible.

Do you think Tim would have taken the job if our basketball program was a long-time basketball power that fired it's coach who consistently took us to the dance?

I'm in agreement that these aren't unreasonable desires but they also aren't in a vacuum.

 

[robsker]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

As a Bo-leaver" of the reasons you give, I am about 90% about wanting a coach that will represent the university well.. and 9% wanting the team to play hard, focused football... and 1% the composite of the other things. Seeing NU's national reputation as it is now is a sad thing (I am not referring to the view of their lack of competitiveness, but rather the view of the character and integrity of the program... which is generally largely dictated by the perception of the character and integrity of the coach)

 

[StPaulHusker]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

You are correct that it is not an absurd, outlandish desire but the fact remains that there isn't one coach that has a magic pill to end all of these things they want to end and if there was one coach, he is probably already one of the highest paid coaches in the country and winning just fine at another school and would have no desire to make a change.

Except Tim Miles. Not that I think it's likely that we're going to land a Tim Miles of football if we axe this staff, but it's possible.

I know that people want to compare the coaches and it's a fair point, I guess. There are some similarities and difference that should be pointed out.

Bo turned the program around and made it to a CCG in year 2 and 3 and 5. Miles turned the basketball team around in year 2. Let see what Miles does in year 4-6 and revisit the conversation. The fact that Nebraska basketball isn't accustomed to winning anything, the expectations of him are quite low which means decidedly less pressure.

Also, in basketball, especially with so many players being one and done, it only takes 2 maybe 3 really good players to make a difference. In football it takes more than that.

 

[knapplc]

Do you think Tim would have taken the job if our basketball program was a long-time basketball power that fired it's coach who consistently took us to the dance?

I'm in agreement that these aren't unreasonable desires but they also aren't in a vacuum.

That all depends on the circumstances. Too many variables to say yes or no.

 

[Landlord]

As usual Knapp goes succinct and accurate. He's such a jerk that way.

He also brought up "getting another Miles", and while that's hard I see optimism in how they got Miles. The Nee/Collier/Sadler processes were a nightmare, so the dept sat down, learned from past mistakes, and got it right. And that was for basketball, clearly not the alpha sport at Nebraska. I see no reason why the same thing wouldn't be done, with more care, for the bread winning flagship sport of the University when a change is made. The claim that it's be "just another Callahan" is insane.

Miles was a gold mine hire but only in hindsight, and also only after 2 years (who didn't love Bo after 2009?), and believe it or not, I think our basketball program was an easier sell to a good coach than our football program would be. Miles had all of the advantages (minus a recruiting hotbed) of a major bigtime program, without the expectations of one. That makes your job so much more comfortable.

 

[Count 'Bility]

As usual Knapp goes succinct and accurate. He's such a jerk that way.

He also brought up "getting another Miles", and while that's hard I see optimism in how they got Miles. The Nee/Collier/Sadler processes were a nightmare, so the dept sat down, learned from past mistakes, and got it right. And that was for basketball, clearly not the alpha sport at Nebraska. I see no reason why the same thing wouldn't be done, with more care, for the bread winning flagship sport of the University when a change is made. The claim that it's be "just another Callahan" is insane.

Miles was a gold mine hire but only in hindsight, and also only after 2 years (who didn't love Bo after 2009?), and believe it or not, I think our basketball program was an easier sell to a good coach than our football program would be. Miles had all of the advantages (minus a recruiting hotbed) of a major bigtime program, without the expectations of one. That makes your job so much more comfortable.

Exactly. Lets say Nebrasketball wins a conference tourney game or two, and, god-willing, even wins an NCAA tourney game. I can guarantee you 100% that next season's basketball team wont be feeling the no-pressure, sunshine and rainbows, let it all hang out, environment they have under Miles to this point. The expectations will be immediately jacked to an unprecedented level in regards to the Nebraska basketball program. Then let's see how great and fabulous they all are.

It's a whole hell of a lot easier to do a little when youre expected to do nothing than it is to do a lot when youre supposed to.

 

[Landlord]

Also, not to mention, our administration wouldn't hear the end of the criticism for years if they hired a no-name like Tim Miles was before Nebraska. They really aren't comparable.

 

[knapplc]

Also, not to mention, our administration wouldn't hear the end of the criticism for years if they hired a no-name like Tim Miles was before Nebraska. They really aren't comparable.

If the guy was a social media natural and got results out of his players, there wouldn't be an outcry at all.

 

[GSG]

At the risk of putting words into the mouths of the "Bo-Leavers," I believe they want Bo and his staff gone, and to replace them with a better head coach who would better represent the university, who would stop the rash of blowout losses we've suffered, who would have the team ready to play 60 minutes of fundamental football every game, and who would better understand recruiting and attack it in a more effective way.

Through all the rhetoric I've read, this is the common theme. And it's not an absurd, outlandish desire. But the message gets lost in the back-and-forth we see on message boards.

i +1'd this (something i rarely do for knapplc, because he has so dagnabit many).

this is spot on. and frankly, i would be just as happy to see bo do those things. i just think we have seen enough for him that without blind hope, it is hard to think that he can.

I get the feeling from some people that they don't care what success Bo has (Conf Champ, National Champ, etc), they want him gone no matter what.

 

[sd'sker]

I get the feeling from some people that they don't care what success Bo has (Conf Champ, National Champ, etc), they want him gone no matter what.

i am not one of those people.

 

[sd'sker]

Also, not to mention, our administration wouldn't hear the end of the criticism for years if they hired a no-name like Tim Miles was before Nebraska. They really aren't comparable.

tim miles at least had head coaching experience before coming here.

 

[GSG]

I get the feeling from some people that they don't care what success Bo has (Conf Champ, National Champ, etc), they want him gone no matter what.

i am not one of those people.

I didn't say you were. You've said several times that you're not. I know a few from back home that just don't like him because "he's mean" and "yells" and they wouldn't care if he won a title because they want quiet Tom O 2.0