Comparing Nebraska's most colorful coaches of late

[zoogs]

Oh, dayum. Lloyd Carr's last 6 seasons: 10-3 Rose Bowl, 9-3 Rose Bowl, 7-5, 11-2 Rose Bowl, 9-4. And they still 'fired' him? Brown was pushed out after an 8-5 season. Which is almost 9.

Not that we'd want RichRod, I imagine. Or Hoke. I don't think we're trying to say it's a comparable situation, but to those suggesting that it would be sacrilege to fire Bo after a 9-4 year, there is precedent. National championship winning coach, no less.

 

[NUpolo8]

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LandLord reminded me that Lloyd Carr's third season was 1997 and now I feel old and want to lie down.

 

[NUpolo8]

Oh, dayum. Lloyd Carr's last 6 seasons: 10-3 Rose Bowl, 9-3 Rose Bowl, 7-5, 11-2 Rose Bowl, 9-4. And they still 'fired' him. Brown was pushed out after an 8-5 season. Which is almost 9.
Not that we'd want RichRod, I imagine. Or Hoke. I don't think we're trying to say it's a comparable situation, but to those suggesting that it would be sacrilege to fire Bo after a 9-4 year, there is precedent. National championship winning coach, no less.

Lloyd Carr's biggest trespass was getting waxed by Ohio St. Our lack of a clear rival is also saving Bo, imagine we're still in the XII last year and CU thumps us 38-17 at home and and Bo does that.

 

[NUinID]

Lloyd Carr "resigned" the same way Mack Brown did - he was fired. But he still isn't that comparable - he went undefeated and won a national championship in his third year.

He is close in a lot of ways, especially since they went 8 years straight with 10, 9 and 8 wins, but they also were conference champions four times during that stretch.

Zoogies' comment earlier is spot on - what we have here is unique. I wasn't actually trying to compare Bo to other coaches, but only to illustrate the point that we can't compare him to other coaches. Those that are generally pessimistic or opposed to Pelini hypocritically tend to criticize others for comparing him in a positive light, but then turn around and compare (maybe the more proper term would be contrast) in negative ways.

This is fairly unprecedented.

Edit: Carr also took over for Schembechler, who was also an incredibly consistent winner. Michigan had 10, 9, 8, 11, and 10 wins the seasons before Carr. Whatever that means.

Carr actually took over for Gary Moeller who was fired for cause. I think he got a DUI or something. He actually was doing quite well after taking over for schembeckler. I believe he was bs DC.

I agree that it is a unique situation with BP. But I am not ready to get rid of him like some are.

Fulmer IMO should not have been fired they really jumped the gun and look how good they have been since.

Robinson was on the downside of his career on his second stint with USC, he really only had a couple of decent years during the mid 90's at USC and the Pack 10 was kind of down at that point.

 

[carlfense]

I don't have a personal grudge against Bo Pelini and I don't think anyone who feels similar to me does either, they just feel like he's underperforming. And there's more than enough evidence to support that. There isn't some sabermetric handy to show when you should fire a coach, no matter how badly anyone here wants one.

Yep.

 

[Saunders]

What's the argument here? That an imaginary 9 win benchmark means anything? That Nebraska can't do something that hasn't been done before? Let's judge Bo Pelini on his own achievements, which are some 9-10 win seasons that were overachieving, and some that were desperately underachieving. And there's been more underachieving in recent history than the former, I think we can all agree.

The argument is fairly simple, it's just ignored, twisted, or strawmanned to death in an attempt to discredit it. Nebraska has extremely high expectations, with no local recruiting base. You couple those items with a perception of being fired if you're not at double digit wins and conference championships every couple years, it makes candidates gun shy.

 

[Scratchtown]

What's the argument here? That an imaginary 9 win benchmark means anything? That Nebraska can't do something that hasn't been done before? Let's judge Bo Pelini on his own achievements, which are some 9-10 win seasons that were overachieving, and some that were desperately underachieving. And there's been more underachieving in recent history than the former, I think we can all agree.

The argument is fairly simple, it's just ignored, twisted, or strawmanned to death in an attempt to discredit it. Nebraska has extremely high expectations, with no local recruiting base. You couple those items with a perception of being fired if you're not at double digit wins and conference championships every couple years, it makes candidates gun shy.

I can get on board with this. When Bo was talking last year after the Iowa game about how the media kept firing away and his indirect shot at fans by saying "you guys" meaning every one outside the program, he said it really hurt this team. I believe that to be true. After all we know that those kids read Huskerboard, and you can't really police that as a coach. After knowing that I really backed off a bit and just came to a point to just let Bo do his damn job. I'll do mine, instead of trying to do his. Considering I coached a young man that is on the team, I wouldn't want anything I say to hurt his chances of getting on the field just because of a stupid opinion I may have thought was a good thing to say, when ultimately it isn't.

Typically I am on the fence when it comes to Bo, but like I've mentioned earlier last week about being at the coaches clinic. I just think they have a solid group of guys on staff. Maybe some tweaks are needed, but not and drastic changes.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Oh, dayum. Lloyd Carr's last 6 seasons: 10-3 Rose Bowl, 9-3 Rose Bowl, 7-5, 11-2 Rose Bowl, 9-4. And they still 'fired' him. Brown was pushed out after an 8-5 season. Which is almost 9.
Not that we'd want RichRod, I imagine. Or Hoke. I don't think we're trying to say it's a comparable situation, but to those suggesting that it would be sacrilege to fire Bo after a 9-4 year, there is precedent. National championship winning coach, no less.

Lloyd Carr's biggest trespass was getting waxed by Ohio St. Our lack of a clear rival is also saving Bo, imagine we're still in the XII last year and CU thumps us 38-17 at home and and Bo does that.

I guess Michigan and Michigan State are our rivals now, and how we played against them helped save Bo.

Swapping Iowa and Colorado doesn't make me feel any better, btw.

I also imagined being in the Big 10 last year and losing to Minnesota, who clearly looked the better team.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Interesting bump. I have to throw this in here for kicks. In a matter of 5 days now, Tim Miles has cussed in a postgame presser, AND blown up at the officials to the point of having to be restrained by his players and staff. LOL.

Now, accountability was spot on about this year being the "salad year" for Nebrasketball. Now, it's possible, but I suppose Miles could start getting short with the new expectations, start barking at officials more, cut off fan interaction, curse out people, and demand what he's doing is good enough, and so on, but I kinda doubt it.

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My real point is I have a hard time believing that if Miles' squad goes 17-14 next year, he's going to storm up to the microphone, say there's nothing to be ashamed of, and say how much they'll miss him when he's gone.

Im not callin Polo out on this exclusively. I just quoted his statement to show that this thread has been related to this discussion at one point. And I just found it funny today when Miles blew the top off and this notion came to mind. Just a general comparison of Miles to Bo.

 

[knapplc]

Miles is still in his honeymoon stage. Bo had one, too, because the Callahan debacle was still so fresh in everyone's minds. Bo improved on things immediately, got us a bowl win, and made us think that better days were ahead. He blew up, made funny faces, got in the grill of his QB, and after about three years of no conference championships, the bloom fell off the rose.

The exact same thing will happen to Tim Miles if he gets to the Dance and flames out, or can't produce a conference championship. Circa Spring, 2016, there's going to be an awful lot of people looking at that fancy arena and thinking we can do better than Tim Miles if he doesn't get something done. Soon.

It's the fickle nature of coaching. You're always one season away from being fired.

Remember Wyoming, the team that nearly beat us our first game this year? That great coach, who knew all the buttons to push and almost walked out of here with a very impressive W? That guy was fired this year. Because he didn't win enough.

For Wyoming.

 

[NUpolo8]

In accordance with Accountability's post (great hustle btw) I find solace in what Miles said after the loss today, and on the Rome show yesterday.

 

[zoogs]

The exact same thing will happen to Tim Miles if he gets to the Dance and flames out, or can't produce a conference championship. Circa Spring, 2016, there's going to be an awful lot of people looking at that fancy arena and thinking we can do better than Tim Miles if he doesn't get something done. Soon.

I'd be pretty surprised if people got as antsy about Miles not having a basketball Conference Championship trophy after five years if six years in, the majority still defend Bo quite passionately. If we still haven't won a NCAA tournament game, quite possibly.

 

[Mavric]

Tim Miles will win infinitely times as many NCAA tournament games as all previous Husker coaches combined!

You heard me! Mark it down!

 

[hskrfan4life]

I have been a Bo suppoter. However it gets so irritating and old when we lose big games by BIGGER margins. Given the bowl win can create some positive momentum, we need to see if it does this upcoming season.

 

[walksalone]

Those intervening dark days when we have the wrong coaches - the really wrong coaches - are only part of the reason I think firing Pelini would be a mistake at this juncture.

I felt they were going to fire him after the Iowa game, and I was really surprised they didn't. He probably should have at that point, but they didn't, and here we are.

I'm sure they can get Callahan to come back...