Could You Still Win With....

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Barry Switzer still swears he could recruit a team designed to run the old wishbone and play mean Defense and not only win but destroy people. I know I'd love to see and so would most of you. I'm happy with OU's success since Stoops, but I would still love to see the Bone. You could even get a Vince Young type QB and good receivers and throw more out of it. Easily get the nation's best FullBack who would kill to be showcased. I'd like to see it. Could it still work?

 
It would be difficult for a couple reasons. One is nothing resembles this type of offense in the pros. Although maybe 5% of all college players will reach the NFL, they still dream and aim for it. It's just not appealing to anyone, unless you grew up on a farm in Nebraska.

Receivers will not come to a school that features the bone. You will never get a top playmaker go to a school where he will have about 2 catches a game. They'll probably both go for tochdowns and average about 40 yards a catch, but it won't happen.

The bone is also to easy to defend against now. Too much team speed. Back in the old days, NU and OU would get every playmaker in the midwest on their teams, because of the number of scholorships they had, keeping them away from the other teams, therefore blowing out everyone they faced until OU and NU faced each other.

RMS, ohh though your intentions are good, it will never happen.

Here let me fill all of our hearts of what life used to be like. This is taken from the college football hall of fame in South Bend, IN. It's from a section they called classic rivals or something like that.

POWERHOUSES OF THE PLAINS

Respect, winning traditions, and excellence have been the cornerstones of the rivalry between Oklahoma and Nebraska since Nebraska won their first game (13-9) in 1912. With both teams ranked in the top ten Division 1-A schools in the all-time winning percentage and total victories, the effects of this close rivalry are felt on a national level no matter who wins when the Sooners play the Huskers on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Year after year, national championships, consecutivewinning season streaks, national rushing titles, undefeated seasons, and conference records are at stake in this rivalry. Sooners Illustrated described the Oklahoma/Nebraska game as one where "Heisman Trophy recipients have run through holes created by Outland Trophy winners only to be tackled by Lombardi honorees."

redout

 
wow what a good memory huh. The "BONE". Man that was some good sh*t. Such a great formation and so fun to watch. I would have to go with redout on this one tho. I think old Switzer has had a few too many Sprizters to know whats what.

people will argue that we ran the option w/ success in the 90's v teams like miami Tenn and Florida, with the likes of Sapp and Ray Lew, but guess what, they didnt have 12 guys that had speed like them. those were anomalistic freaks of their time. now they all line up with that type of speed. team speed is paralleling the NFL these days. hence the fact that the option/bone package doesnt work in the league.

perplexing question tho RMS. i like it.

 
Hmmmm…I’m not so sure that either the wishbone or the option attack can’t be the basis of a winning program.

Regarding recruits, in particular skill players, it is true that the upper-echelon would eschew an option-based program. However, the way the option is run (and by “option” I mean both what Nebraska used to run and the wishbone), you don’t need top-flight receivers. What you need are individuals who can block, have sure hands, and decent - not blazing - speed. The whole idea of the passing game in an option attack is to catch the defense by surprise - run it at them with success until they commit so many defenders that the receivers can slip behind them. The key phrase being with success.

Assuming that the team running the option recruits the correct offensive lineman, running backs and quarterback, there’s no reason that formula won’t work. But you would have to have exceptional speed in the backfield, and stud-hosses in the offensive line. I, for one, think that Nebraska could still do that - there are far more quarterbacks that can run an option attack than can run a passing attack. Running backs want the ball - something the option affords them to far greater effect than a passing attack.

True, some backs may not go for it - they may want to catch passes out of the backfield in preparation for a shot at the pros. But all-in-all, I think most high school running backs don’t think that far in advance…they want the ball. And there is little doubt that for an offensive lineman, run-blocking beats pass-blocking. Like running backs, there may be a few that want to go to a passing school to enhance their chances at being drafted, but, again, I doubt most think that way.

Regarding defensive speed that an option attack faces, there are two ways to counter that - or that argument. First, since so few teams still run the option, it means a defense has less time to prepare. This doesn’t mean that coaches don’t have the knowledge to defense the option - it means that there is frequently not enough time to teach the players to defend it correctly. Couple that with the second point - that option attacks are specifically designed to read the defense to see how they are committing, and to “move” to the open or undefended player or area.

Today, so many of these pure athletes rely on just their athletic abilities - and don’t bother with proper technique. It’s tough, with just three or four days of practice, to “break” a defensive end from crashing down, or making a blind rush up field. That plays right into the hands of the option attack.

And, again, if the offensive line can open sufficient holes in the middle to cause the defense to commit inside, then the edges become vulnerable.

I don’t think, in recent years, that Nebraska’s offense was inherently flawed…I feel that the level of talent - especially in the offensive line and at tailback - was the culprit. I’d be willing to bet that with a commitment to recruit the right kind of talent, Nebraska could still win with the option.

On the other hand, I’m a dinosaur, and never have coached, so what do I know? Still, I hate to see it go - it’s part of what made Nebraska unique and wonderful. And it still remains to be seen whether the top-flight skill position players want to come to the cold mid-west rather than to sunny California, Florida or Texas. That’s one of the reasons I’m a little worried about the use of the West Coast offense; why would an urban, warm weather kid - one who is unmindful of tradition - want to go to a cold weather school that does not have the kind of urban setting he is used to?

With the option attack, Nebraska was a natural selection for the kinds of players that can make the attack go - strong run-blocking offensive lineman, quarterbacks who ran first but could pass adequately, receivers who lacked the blazing speed but understood the value of a well-executed downfield block and who had sure hands. Seems that the West Coast offense moves Nebraska away from its natural “constituency”, so to speak.

 
That's quite an analysis AR. Here is my simple take. You can win with anything.... IF you have the talent, the discipline, and the conditioning. To me an offense without the "right talent" is flawed.I completely agree that a key to NU football in the past has been a dominant O-line which we haven't had in recent years. I think a lack of talent on the line was hidden a bit by the exceptional ability of Crouch. BUT with whatever you run, you have to be able to counter successfully and also have the element of surprise. I used to watch Billy Simms run all over us, and once we adjusted, what did they do? They faked the bone and hit the tight end. Very similar to NU's only real successfull pass play. Offense does not work if it is PREDICTABLE, unless, like you said, you have completely dominant athletes. College football has evolved to where athletes are stronger and faster and coaches are smarter. You all remember the Miami game where Sapp was spent. If I were a coach at Miami, before conditioning I would show that film to the team for a little motivation. Now with all that said, any good coach will coach to the strength of the team. I'm not sure who said it here, but I have to believe that Callahan will be analyzing the team carefully to see where we can have the most success and try to balance that with what he wants to do. I believe he won't try to shove a square peg in a round hole, at least I hope not. I don't know if you read the article in Journal Star about the recruits, Ganz in particular. Ganz ran the "option" in HS. He said that Callihan had told him he would "throw in some option plays" being that it is college football. I hope he is not just telling kids what they want to hear. From what they've been saying, the coaches seem to be very upfront. So to sum it up, yes you can win with the bone, the option, etc. but even Switzer knows you have to put the rock in the air once in a while too.

 
Now we're ready! OU signed both A. Peterson (#1 overall recruit) and DJ Wolfe (#5 RB) this year. Paul Thompson or this Bomar (#1 or 2 QB this year) at QB each with 4.5 clocked 40 times and cannons, Kejuan Jones (last years RB that's like a bowling ball) and JD Runnells (last years starting FB) at FB, with avg. sized speedy OLineman and a great receiving group. Let's make the Bone work. Come-on Bob, at least throw it in on occassion.

 
Yes sounds like you guys are more than ready. For your sake hopefully you dont come down with a case of the Longhorns. Great recruiting.. well you know the rest.

Bring back the bone huh. :) Wishful thinking, but I like it.

 
you also make some real good points CH.

and dag gum you boyz R loaded RMSooner!!! punkassses. oh well, it will make it that much sweetr when we rock you in whoreman this Fall!! ;)

 
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