DWilliams, Morgan, Farniok, Ozigbo Make PFF's All-B1G Team of the Week

Mavric

Mavric

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How do they figure these grades out? I would think someone would have to be there in person. How do you grade a safety if you don’t know what’s going on off camera?

 
Moiraine said:
How do they figure these grades out? I would think someone would have to be there in person. How do you grade a safety if you don’t know what’s going on off camera?
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That or they get different tape than TV broadcast. All 22 shot plush I'm sure they have other angles to watch.

 
Do we end up with some names on end of year All Big Ten teams this year? I think it was just Stanley last year if I remember right?

 
Nebfanatic said:
That or they get different tape than TV broadcast. All 22 shot plush I'm sure they have other angles to watch.
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I had the same question as Moiraine so it seems like it would be a FAQ, yet it’s not on their FAQ list. I emailed them asking if they use only film that is broadcast or if they have access to other film.  If they don’t respond then I think it’s safe to  assume they only use what is broadcast and their grading should be taken FWIW. 

 
4skers89 said:
I had the same question as Moiraine so it seems like it would be a FAQ, yet it’s not on their FAQ list. I emailed them asking if they use only film that is broadcast or if they have access to other film.  If they don’t respond then I think it’s safe to  assume they only use what is broadcast and their grading should be taken FWIW. 
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I wouldn't be sure of the bolded part whether they respond or not, but no metric is perfect. Seems like they account for a lot of things standard metrics and stats ignore, but I'm sure there are things they miss. Fun to look at in any case, and I think it's accurate enough that more players on the list means we are in fact playing better.

I'd also like to see Deontai on the field, I'm curious what's holding him back. He'll definitely have his chance next year though, I'm excited to see what the defense looks like in year 2.

 
4skers89 said:
I had the same question as Moiraine so it seems like it would be a FAQ, yet it’s not on their FAQ list. I emailed them asking if they use only film that is broadcast or if they have access to other film.  If they don’t respond then I think it’s safe to  assume they only use what is broadcast and their grading should be taken FWIW. 
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I'm pretty sure any of us can access an all 22 shot. There are so many cameras filming during any given game and they actually broadcast different views on another channel sometimes.

 
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Husker in WI said:
I wouldn't be sure of the bolded part whether they respond or not, but no metric is perfect. Seems like they account for a lot of things standard metrics and stats ignore, but I'm sure there are things they miss. Fun to look at in any case, and I think it's accurate enough that more players on the list means we are in fact playing better.
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I’m cynical so my thinking is that a clever money-making scheme would be set up a website and with minimal resources pass out grades to various players. The fans of those teams will love seeing their players grading out well and pay money for you to tell them more.  There are what 130 FBS teams and they’re using films from multiple cameras to evaluate a large number of players? That’s a lot of eyeballs that aren’t free. To avoid getting into trouble the key is never claim that your analysis is thorough.

As I’m typing I got a reply from PFF and it appears my cynicism was unfounded although I question how big their staff is:

Trey Cassidy replied:

Thanks for reaching out! We have access to both broadcast footage and All-22 coaches film for evaluating purposes.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to reach back out!

Best & Thanks,
Evan McPhillips

Maybe I’ll ask a follow up question about how many people they have doing the grading.
 
4skers89 said:
Maybe I’ll ask a follow up question about how many people they have doing the grading.
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This is what I'm curious about.  They get those grades done pretty fast considering how many games there are to look at.  How many people are on each game and how they keep all the graders on the same page about what to give credit or demerit for.

Thanks for the info.

 
Mavric said:
This is what I'm curious about.  They get those grades done pretty fast considering how many games there are to look at.  How many people are on each game and how they keep all the graders on the same page about what to give credit or demerit for.

Thanks for the info.
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I think your question about uniformity in grading might be covered in articles in the “Player Grading” section.

https://pff.desk.com/

I’ll ask a followup about their staffing in a roundabout way:

1) You guys are doing an amazing job. I see that you currently have no job openings but what qualifications are you looking for people that evaluate and grade players? How many people evaluate each game? Do you need to be a former coach to be a grader?

In order to not raise suspicion someone else should email them complaining about their favorite players not making one of their lists even though he had a good game and nonchalantly ask how many players are they evaluating for each game?

With these two bits of information I think it would give us a good idea of how legitimate their grading is.

 
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