First - Time BCS Conference Head Coaches with 9 wins in first five seasons

Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Yes I do know you said that. Yes......I do know you said that..? (Why did you ask that question twice?)

The point is that hindsight changes a lot, and more often than not, makes you think differently. We would all do good to have a little dose of perspective and patience, because 2-3 years of higher success while sacrificing integrity is not what makes a dynasty.
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i never talked about longterm. just comparing first time hc's. i wasn't talking about dynasties either. Just that 1st time head coaches are quickly turning around programs.

 
Gene Chizik was the HC at Iowa State before Auburn, and Pete Carroll was the head coach for New England and New York in the NFL. That's not college, yes, but it's still experience.

 
ADS said:
Gene Chizik was the HC at Iowa State before Auburn, and Pete Carroll was the head coach for New England and New York in the NFL. That's not college, yes, but it's still experience.
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oops. I looked past Chizik at ISU. He was there and gone so fast, it's difficult to remember him there.

 
StPaulHusker said:
Chaddyboxer said:
I believe the most successful as first time head coaches........

Meyer is one and Hoke is another I can name of the top of my head.

Muschamp has done a solid job as well....but c'mon it's Florida.........If you can't recruit top level talent there, then you have issues. Bo is doing great with less...I honestly think if we give it a couple more years.....this NEB team may be more of a complete team. A team that can compete with the best of them and go to a few BCS games....I believe this because the past couple recruiting years have been very solid....we'll see how it all pans out.
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No argument about recruiting the talent to Florida, but Ron Zook brought good players in and couldn't coach well enough to get it done. Even Urban Meyer had some difficulties.

I think the jury is still out on Hoke in a big program.
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Hoke was HC at Ball St and San Diego St. Meyer coached at Bowling Green before Utah.

 
If you're going to count Chizik as having experience because he coached ISU, you have to count Kelly's time at New Hampshire as experience too.

 
husker_99 said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Yes I do know you said that. Yes......I do know you said that..? (Why did you ask that question twice?)

The point is that hindsight changes a lot, and more often than not, makes you think differently. We would all do good to have a little dose of perspective and patience, because 2-3 years of higher success while sacrificing integrity is not what makes a dynasty.
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i never talked about longterm. just comparing first time hc's. i wasn't talking about dynasties either. Just that 1st time head coaches are quickly turning around programs.
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You're the one that moans about how people constantly berate you for things you didn't say, right?

Here's the thing - I'm not countering anything you are saying. I'm not saying that you're talking long-term or dynasties.

I am making my own separate statement related to the discussion.

 
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
husker_99 said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
Yes I do know you said that. Yes......I do know you said that..? (Why did you ask that question twice?)

The point is that hindsight changes a lot, and more often than not, makes you think differently. We would all do good to have a little dose of perspective and patience, because 2-3 years of higher success while sacrificing integrity is not what makes a dynasty.
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i never talked about longterm. just comparing first time hc's. i wasn't talking about dynasties either. Just that 1st time head coaches are quickly turning around programs.
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You're the one that moans about how people constantly berate you for things you didn't say, right?

Here's the thing - I'm not countering anything you are saying. I'm not saying that you're talking long-term or dynasties.

I am making my own separate statement related to the discussion.
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which is fine. I was just letting you know what i am sticking to.

 
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Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
husker_99 said:
Landlord of Memorial Stadium said:
husker_99 said:
While that is a good list, it pains me that Bo hasn't done more yet. We are start to seeing more first time coaches doing more in less seasons. Either a top ten finish, bcs bowl appearance, or a national title. I would like to see Bo with 1 of those. Unfortunately it also puts more pressure on Bo.
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How many of those schools are still maintaining elite or very good status consistently and/or running clean programs??
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what do you consider very good? what do you consider clean programs?
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I'm not going to try to come up with unnecessarily static definitions when you and everyone else knows exactly what I'm referring to. Let's take a look:

Bob Stoops/Oklahoma - Won a title in his 2nd year, played for a title two other times. Three seasons of 8 or less wins, 10-3 the last two years. A good example of what we're looking for - committed, long-tenured coach with sustained success and staying put because he wants to, but he has shown average seasons as well. Would we want him? Definitely.

Larry Coker - Won a title his first year, played for it his second, and another BCS win his third. Followed by 9-3, 9-3, 7-6 and eventually getting fired. Miami hasn't done a thing since and is in the thick of one of the most damning investigations in NCAA history. Would we want him? No thanks.

Charlie Strong - Needs to be noted he coaches Louisville in the Big East. Went 7-6, 7-6, and 11-2 with a BCS win. Time will tell if that was lightning in a bottle, but history shows it probably wasn't. Husker fans would have been incredibly disappointed going 7-6 in Bo's first two years. Would we want him? Maybe, but probably not.

Will Muschamp - Has coached two years. The difference between Will and Bo to this point is 7-6 versus 9-4, :01 against Texas, and a .500 bowl record compared to Bo's 3-0 at the time. Would we want him? Impossible to tell.

Frank Solich - We all know the story here. He struggled, and his program has struggled ever since. Would we want him? No.

Jimbo Fisher - 10-4, 9-4, 12-2, with some conference championships and a BCS win. Still young, but he's showing great so far. Would we want him? If he wanted to be here, absolutely.

Chip Kelly - Led his teams to a lot of success and a near national championship, but high-tailed it out because he ran a dirty program. Would we want him? Some might, but no. That's not the way we do things here.

Pete Carrol - See above.

Gene Chizik - See above, except after the anomoly of a season with Cam Newton, he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. He left Auburn disgraced and the program is below mediocre once again. Would we want him? Nope.
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i agree with pretty much everything Landlord said here, and something to think about, other than Stoops, and Strong, most of these guys took over programs that were Cadillac's when they got there, and the guys who didnt obviously cheated their way to the top. Bo took over Nebraska in one of the darkest time this program has ever seen and has turned it around back to respectability and did it the right way

 
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