Help me out, why are fans getting on position coaches?

[cornstar]

People are complaining about Bray? Dude has helped turn Banderas into an All-Conference caliber linebacker. Cav and Read I understand

Bando was a 4* Army all American, Bray wasn't working with chopped liver there.

I think with Bray, people expected big leaps like we had last year. We just didn't get it. That may have a lot to with losing 4 DLs early and playing some DTs who are a year away, and DEs who at this point are solid but not dynamic.

 

[cm husker]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Utter - walk on, Hahn - walk on, Conrad - walk on. How can you not consider that piecemeal? I think Cav is getting the brunt of the former staff recruiting misses like Johnson, Painter and Whitaker. I do agree there's talent, but its young.

It's been discussed before, particularly in the hyper critical thread about Utter.

If you stack up the list of available talent on this roster against the talent available on other rosters, NU compares quite favorably, particularly on the OL.

Right now, for example, Wisconsin is starting:

RT - 3* (.8767) redshirt freshman - best other offers: Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana

RG - 3* (.8145) true sophomore - best other offers: Syracuse and Iowa St

C - 3* (.8329) true sophomore - best other offers: Georgia Tech, Illinois and Nebraska

LG - 3* (.8898) true freshman - best other offers: Illinois, Michigan St and Nebraska

LT - DIII transfer (no rating) first year in program - best other offers: only record of an offer out of HS was from Chryst while he was at Wisconsin as OC, but that was pulled during coaching transition

Not one of those guys has more than 2 years in the Wisconsin program.

I'm having a hard time seeing how that's better than Nebraska's roster of available players.

 

[cornstar]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Very much disagree. While Cav is still question mark, the OL has been about as good as we could have hoped considering injuries and all of the walk ons that have been playing.
His refusal to rotate in a couple of subs consistently has rightfully gained him criticism, and it has run off some guys. Thurston comes to mind.

 

[cm husker]

Pretty much everyone has been earning their keep sans Bruce Read. Cav's offensive line has been fine considering it's context - the run game has had moments of struggle, but it's lacking an elite back and healthy starters, and we're still tied for 5th in the country in sacks allowed through 11 games.

But to answer your question, because fans don't know jack about coaching football, but fans are convinced that they know quite a bit about coaching football.

I think our next elite back is going to be Tre Bryant.

Possibly - I've lost the thread on Ozig (iirc, he's nursing an ankle?) and not sure what happen with Wilbon (off field issues?). I think any of those three has solid potential.

Personally, I always liked Wilbon's running style, but I'm not sure he fits what the staff is looking for from a back. I could see him transferring, though with the lack of RB recruiting this year, that would hurt.

 

[cm husker]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Very much disagree. While Cav is still question mark, the OL has been about as good as we could have hoped considering injuries and all of the walk ons that bane been playing.

His refusal to rotate in a couple of subs consistently has rightfully gained him criticism, and it has run off some guys. Thurston comes to mind.

I'm not criticizing the OL play. I think it's been overrated and over criticized this year. I just also think it's pretty difficult to assess whether Cav is doing a very good job as OL coach. We'll know more in a couple of years.

 

[cm husker]

I've seen very little criticism of Brey... may have missed that, though.

 

[cornstar]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Very much disagree. While Cav is still question mark, the OL has been about as good as we could have hoped considering injuries and all of the walk ons that bane been playing.His refusal to rotate in a couple of subs consistently has rightfully gained him criticism, and it has run off some guys. Thurston comes to mind.

I'm not criticizing the OL play. I think it's been overrated and over criticized this year. I just also think it's pretty difficult to assess whether Cav is doing a very good job as OL coach. We'll know more in a couple of years.

I'm willing to hesitantly give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
But as you pointed out his OC hasn't exactly been doing him any favors.

 

[marko polo]

The criticism of Read is warranted imo. But Cav and Brey have been doing great with what they were given, especially Cav. The OL is been beat up all year and it's actually played pretty well outside of a few games.

ya we might actually run for 200 yds one of these games!

 

[Hedley Lamarr]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Utter - walk on, Hahn - walk on, Conrad - walk on. How can you not consider that piecemeal? I think Cav is getting the brunt of the former staff recruiting misses like Johnson, Painter and Whitaker. I do agree there's talent, but its young.

It's been discussed before, particularly in the hyper critical thread about Utter.

If you stack up the list of available talent on this roster against the talent available on other rosters, NU compares quite favorably, particularly on the OL.

Right now, for example, Wisconsin is starting:

RT - 3* (.8767) redshirt freshman - best other offers: Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana

RG - 3* (.8145) true sophomore - best other offers: Syracuse and Iowa St

C - 3* (.8329) true sophomore - best other offers: Georgia Tech, Illinois and Nebraska

LG - 3* (.8898) true freshman - best other offers: Illinois, Michigan St and Nebraska

LT - DIII transfer (no rating) first year in program - best other offers: only record of an offer out of HS was from Chryst while he was at Wisconsin as OC, but that was pulled during coaching transition

Not one of those guys has more than 2 years in the Wisconsin program.

I'm having a hard time seeing how that's better than Nebraska's roster of available players.

Like when we started Hahn, Utter and Conrad?

 

[JJ Husker]

I'm going to say the reason is because most fans don't pay attention to circumstances and only consider the results and the play they see on the field. If a person considers no more than that, then it is logical for them to have noticed that our special teams and OL performance have not been good, therefore.... bad position coaching. I mean none of us can argue that our performance in those areas has been good enough to compete at a higher level. It may not be fair to ignore these other factors but fans aren't typically known for being fair.

 

[fb30]

It's funny everybody wants to criticise our online but know body has an answer for Wisconsins success.

 

[cm husker]

What walkons are playing a ton of minutes but not starting? I ask because it's been cav's stated policy to not substitute during games unless it's a blowout. And we haven't had any of those.

I still fundamentally disagree with those who claim this OL is piecemeal. There's a lot of talent there, especially relative to most other OLs.

I will grant that his OC has done very little to help him and his unit out, though.

Utter - walk on, Hahn - walk on, Conrad - walk on. How can you not consider that piecemeal? I think Cav is getting the brunt of the former staff recruiting misses like Johnson, Painter and Whitaker. I do agree there's talent, but its young.

It's been discussed before, particularly in the hyper critical thread about Utter.

If you stack up the list of available talent on this roster against the talent available on other rosters, NU compares quite favorably, particularly on the OL.

Right now, for example, Wisconsin is starting:

RT - 3* (.8767) redshirt freshman - best other offers: Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana

RG - 3* (.8145) true sophomore - best other offers: Syracuse and Iowa St

C - 3* (.8329) true sophomore - best other offers: Georgia Tech, Illinois and Nebraska

LG - 3* (.8898) true freshman - best other offers: Illinois, Michigan St and Nebraska

LT - DIII transfer (no rating) first year in program - best other offers: only record of an offer out of HS was from Chryst while he was at Wisconsin as OC, but that was pulled during coaching transition

Not one of those guys has more than 2 years in the Wisconsin program.

I'm having a hard time seeing how that's better than Nebraska's roster of available players.

Like when we started Hahn, Utter and Conrad?

Correct.

 

[cm husker]

I'm going to say the reason is because most fans don't pay attention to circumstances and only consider the results and the play they see on the field. If a person considers no more than that, then it is logical for them to have noticed that our special teams and OL performance have not been good, therefore.... bad position coaching. I mean none of us can argue that our performance in those areas has been good enough to compete at a higher level. It may not be fair to ignore these other factors but fans aren't typically known for being fair.

I agree with your message in principle.

However, the ST play has been more indicative of organization, scheme and preparation than a problem with talent. Way too many mental lapses and unimaginative schemes to attribute struggles to the players.

 

[commando]

why are fans getting on position coaches? it's what fans do. check any message board in college football and you will see the same stupid crap on all of them. heck...there are alabama fans that want to fire saban if he loses a game

 

[JJ Husker]

I'm going to say the reason is because most fans don't pay attention to circumstances and only consider the results and the play they see on the field. If a person considers no more than that, then it is logical for them to have noticed that our special teams and OL performance have not been good, therefore.... bad position coaching. I mean none of us can argue that our performance in those areas has been good enough to compete at a higher level. It may not be fair to ignore these other factors but fans aren't typically known for being fair.

I agree with your message in principle.

However, the ST play has been more indicative of organization, scheme and preparation than a problem with talent. Way too many mental lapses and unimaginative schemes to attribute struggles to the players.

Agreed but the average fan likely doesn't consider things even that far in depth. They see a porous line that isn't creating gaping holes or giving the QB sufficient time to throw. The evaluation ends right there. Many won't consider talent level or recruiting or injuries or scheme or any such things. A unit performed poorly so therefore, among other things, blame the position coach. Like I said, it's not right or necessarily wrong or fair but that's the way it is for a large number of fans. Hell, I'm not qualified to judge the talent level of our O linemen. All I know is they seem to be struggling. I'm not all over Cav for it but it sure would be a viable option if I felt the need to place blame.

Fo Fiddy on the other hand....it is a lot easier to see a multitude of problems with special teams. It would seem he is more than a fair target for fans ire. If Riley doesn't correct it this off season then it becomes a HCMR issue.