Lower the drinking age?

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FWIW, I completely agree with lowering the drinking age to 18

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College presidents from about 100 of the nation's best-known universities, including Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, are calling on lawmakers to consider lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, saying current laws actually encourage dangerous binge drinking on campus.

 

The movement called the Amethyst Initiative began quietly recruiting presidents more than a year ago to provoke national debate about the drinking age.

 

"This is a law that is routinely evaded," said John McCardell, former president of Middlebury College in Vermont who started the organization. "It is a law that the people at whom it is directed believe is unjust and unfair and discriminatory."

 

Other prominent schools in the group include Syracuse, Tufts, Colgate, Kenyon and Morehouse.

 

But even before the presidents begin the public phase of their efforts, which may include publishing newspaper ads in the coming weeks, they are already facing sharp criticism.

 

Mothers Against Drunk Driving says lowering the drinking age would lead to more fatal car crashes. It accuses the presidents of misrepresenting science and looking for an easy way out of an inconvenient problem. MADD officials are even urging parents to think carefully about the safety of colleges whose presidents have signed on.

 

"It's very clear the 21-year-old drinking age will not be enforced at those campuses," said Laura Dean-Mooney, national president of MADD.

 

Both sides agree alcohol abuse by college students is a huge problem.

 

Research has found more than 40 percent of college students reported at least one symptom of alcohol abuse or dependance. One study has estimated more than 500,000 full-time students at four-year colleges suffer injuries each year related in some way to drinking, and about 1,700 die in such accidents.

 

A recent Associated Press analysis of federal records found that 157 college-age people, 18 to 23, drank themselves to death from 1999 through 2005.

 

Moana Jagasia, a Duke University sophomore from Singapore, where the drinking age is lower, said reducing the age in the U.S. could be helpful.

 

"There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."

 

McCardell's group takes its name from ancient Greece, where the purple gemstone amethyst was widely believed to ward off drunkenness if used in drinking vessels and jewelry. He said college students will drink no matter what, but do so more dangerously when it's illegal.

 

The statement the presidents have signed avoids calling explicitly for a younger drinking age. Rather, it seeks "an informed and dispassionate debate" over the issue and the federal highway law that made 21 the de facto national drinking age by denying money to any state that bucks the trend.

 

But the statement makes clear the signers think the current law isn't working, citing a "culture of dangerous, clandestine binge-drinking," and noting that while adults under 21 can vote and enlist in the military, they "are told they are not mature enough to have a beer." Furthermore, "by choosing to use fake IDs, students make ethical compromises that erode respect for the law."

 

"I'm not sure where the dialogue will lead, but it's an important topic to American families and it deserves a straightforward dialogue," said William Trout, president of Rhodes College in Memphis, Tenn., who has signed the statement.

 

But some other college administrators sharply disagree that lowering the drinking age would help. University of Miami President Donna Shalala, who served as secretary of health and human services under President Clinton, declined to sign.

 

"I remember college campuses when we had 18-year-old drinking ages, and I honestly believe we've made some progress," Shalala said in a telephone interview. "To just shift it back down to the high schools makes no sense at all."

 

McCardell claims that his experiences as a president and a parent, as well as a historian studying Prohibition, have persuaded him the drinking age isn't working.

 

But critics say McCardell has badly misrepresented the research by suggesting that the decision to raise the drinking age from 18 to 21 may not have saved lives.

 

In fact, MADD CEO Chuck Hurley said, nearly all peer-reviewed studies looking at the change showed raising the drinking age reduced drunk-driving deaths. A survey of research from the U.S. and other countries by the Centers for Disease Control and others reached the same conclusion.

 

McCardell cites the work of Alexander Wagenaar, a University of Florida epidemiologist and expert on how changes in the drinking age affect safety. But Wagenaar himself sides with MADD in the debate.

 

The college presidents "see a problem of drinking on college campuses, and they don't want to deal with it," Wagenaar said in a telephone interview. "It's really unfortunate, but the science is very clear."

 

Another scholar who has extensively researched college binge-drinking also criticized the presidents' initiative.

 

"I understand why colleges are doing it, because it splits their students, and they like to treat them all alike rather than having to card some of them. It's a nuisance to them," said Henry Wechsler of the Harvard School of Public Health.

 

But, "I wish these college presidents sat around and tried to work out ways to deal with the problem on their campus rather than try to eliminate the problem by defining it out of existence," he said.

 

Duke faced accusations of ignoring the heavy drinking that formed the backdrop of 2006 rape allegations against three lacrosse players. The rape allegations proved to be a hoax, but the alcohol-fueled party was never disputed.

 

Duke senior Wey Ruepten said university officials should accept the reality that students are going to drink and give them the responsibility that comes with alcohol.

 

"If you treat students like children, they're going to act like children," he said.

 

Duke President Richard Brodhead declined an interview request. But he wrote in a statement on the Amethyst Initiative's Web site that the 21-year-old drinking age "pushes drinking into hiding, heightening its risks." It also prevents school officials "from addressing drinking with students as an issue of responsible choice."

 

Hurley, of MADD, has a different take on the presidents.

 

"They're waving the white flag," he said.

 

 
keep it 21 to buy it or go to bars, but have it legal for 18 year olds to drink...By the way, this is coming from an 18 year old.

 
Your right it won't, but NU Alcohol Studies Professors agree and so do I. Take a look at the majority of the world. Most places in Europe don't have a drinking age or at least not one that is enforced. Because of this, people grow up around it and learn to drink responsibly. The US has more alcohol related issues than most. Lets take a look at the current situation. You basically have three types of people growing up when it comes to alcohol. The first are the rebels who said F'it, I'm going to drink and I don't care about the consequences (ie. me), which is a horrible start. The second is one who decides to wait until they turn 21, and soon as it hits, its like a drinking competition (ie my college roommate). And last you have those who are not interested in booze and decide to never drink. Don't get me wrong, a transition would be very difficult and would probably put up more resistance than its worth, but in the long term the results would be different.

 
I was always the designated driver when I was in high school so I never really got to drink through high school. However, when I drink now for the most part it's to get completely trashed!

 
I was always the designated driver when I was in high school so I never really got to drink through high school. However, when I drink now for the most part it's to get completely trashed!
I was usually the Designated driver too, which meant I had to try to limit myself to two pitchers (for the 65 mile drive home from Norton KS...where they had live bands and the age was different than in NE at the time).

Normally, I never saw a problem with drinking, other than it's influence on a motorcycle accident I had in my mid 20's.

My parents hardly ever drank unless my older brothers or I left some in the fridge when I was in Highschool, but I heard something a few months ago at a parenting class (Manditory out here for couples going through Divorce) that made me change my thinking a little.

One of the counselors said that a person't emotional maturity stops growing at about the same age as they start drinking or abusing drugs.

I remember back in my teen years, my friends' parents telling my parents how mature I was for my age, but ever since college, in so many ways, I have yet to grow up.

I never did much if any binge drinking, in fact, as soon as I was legal, it stopped being near as much fun..

I can almost nurse a case of beer to last a year, now.

keep it 21 to buy it or go to bars, but have it legal for 18 year olds to drink...By the way, this is coming from an 18 year old.
That could work..

As long as it's the same for every state.

And I hate to use another overused cliche', but I really think more should be done to educate people on drug/alcohol/polution/or in my case..from working with chemicals..when they're younger...We didn't care about loosing braincells..(We thought we had plenty more than we'd ever need).

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21 is by and large an arbitrary age the leftovers of the temperance movement(more or less MADD at this point) got congress to with hold highway money if states didnt set it at 21.

There are two reasons why 21 is BS. 1 - All men MUST(or go to jail) file with selective service to be draft eligible, and can join the armed forces, and be trained to fly fighter jets, drive tanks, carry all sorts of firearms. and 2 - Vote. But you are not mature enough for 3 more years to have a beer.

 
If these people were sincere about their reasons for lowering the drinking age, I would buy it. The colleges are proposing this as a way not to be held liable for drinking accidents on campus. Besides, do you think this will get by the MADD lobby? Good Luck.

 
21 is by and large an arbitrary age the leftovers of the temperance movement(more or less MADD at this point) got congress to with hold highway money if states didnt set it at 21.

There are two reasons why 21 is BS. 1 - All men MUST(or go to jail) file with selective service to be draft eligible, and can join the armed forces, and be trained to fly fighter jets, drive tanks, carry all sorts of firearms. and 2 - Vote. But you are not mature enough for 3 more years to have a beer.
My thoughts exactly. There are 18 and 19 year olds trained to maintain multi-million dollar weapon systems (fighters, bombers, tanks, aerial re-fuelers, etc). Uncle Sam believes they are responsible enough for their maintenance and safety but not responsible enough to have a beer? Uncle Sam feels these men and women are responsible enough to man a .50 cal or carry an M-4 and take another persons life but they're not responsible enough to have a beer? Makes absolutely no f*ckin' sense to me. None whatsoever.

After I finished basic and tech school, my supervisors told me on my very first day in my shop that believed that since I was old enough to die for my country, I was old enough to drink. The only caveat to that was A) I had to drink in my dorm room and be covert about it. The other was, if I was caught, they would disavow any knowledge of ever having that conversation. I maintained that philosophy and passed it on to the young guys/gals who have worked under me.

 
If these people were sincere about their reasons for lowering the drinking age, I would buy it. The colleges are proposing this as a way not to be held liable for drinking accidents on campus. Besides, do you think this will get by the MADD lobby? Good Luck.
I am so F'in sick of the MADD lobby. Those fanatics pop up every time anyone requests a liquor license and argue against it. They simply can not understand that not everyone who wants an alcoholic beverage is going to drink to being drunk and then go jump in a car every time they have a beer. All they are is a new name on the old Temperance Movement and would welcome Prohibition back if they could get it.

 
If these people were sincere about their reasons for lowering the drinking age, I would buy it. The colleges are proposing this as a way not to be held liable for drinking accidents on campus. Besides, do you think this will get by the MADD lobby? Good Luck.
I am so F'in sick of the MADD lobby. Those fanatics pop up every time anyone requests a liquor license and argue against it. They simply can not understand that not everyone who wants an alcoholic beverage is going to drink to being drunk and then go jump in a car every time they have a beer. All they are is a new name on the old Temperance Movement and would welcome Prohibition back if they could get it.
Just wait until you have a daughter or a son who gets killed by a drunk driver and then maybe you'll change you mind. When people drink, people get stupid and when they drive, just hope that you're not on the same street as a drunk driver.

Now as for the the legal age to drink, I could care less if it stayed at 21 or 18 because I hardly drank when I was 18-20 yrs old. Boy when I turned 21, I went to bar after bar after bar. Anybody who tells anybody else that they've never drinked and then drive.....you're a liar because everybody has at some point. I have and never have gotten caught but I haven't did that since 4 yrs ago.

 
This 52-year-old lived through the '70s when the legal age in Nebraska was 19 and the legal age in Iowa was 18 (states for a few years were able to set their own age-limit laws). I remembered, on my 18th birthday, my parents took me to (I lived in Omaha and still do.) to a Council Bluffs, IA restaurant so I could order a drink -- a Bloody Mary. Now generally, depending on the bartender, this is not a high alcohol content drink. But that one drink hit me so hard, I ended up in the bathroom losing everything I ate for dinner. I have drank Bloody Marys all my life, and I never had a repeated experience like that over one small alcohol content drink. One stupid drink. I had drank beer before turning 18. Heck, I was allowed to drink a glass of champaign at a wedding (one-time only) when I was 12. How could that drink hit me so hard? :dunno

 
Lower it to 18. You're not stopping anyone under 21 from drinking anyways. Maybe people will even drink more responsibly when it becomes not such a big deal.

 
Lower it to 18. You're not stopping anyone under 21 from drinking anyways. Maybe people will even drink more responsibly when it becomes not such a big deal.
It doesnt stop anyone from drinking. I dare anyone to find a 16 year old who doesnt know where to get booze. Prohibition didnt work, and the age restriction is about the same. The whole message that until you are 21 alcohol is evil and will kill you, but at 12:01 on your 21st birthday it magically becomes alright is quite frankly beyond idiotic.

 
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