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Tallahassee, FL -- Florida businesses could soon face criminal charges if they try to stop employees from bringing guns to work in their cars, thrusting the state into a growing national debate pitting individual freedom against job safety. Backed by the National Rifle Association, two state lawmakers have filed bills that would allow workers to have guns at work, as long as the weapons remain locked in their vehicles. The legislation is modeled after an Oklahoma law that drew national attention when a number of major companies, including energy giant ConocoPhillips and oil-services conglomerate Halliburton, sued to have it overturned.

A Florida version could have similarly sweeping effects, particularly in Central Florida, where the region's largest employer -- Walt Disney World, with more than 57,000 workers -- does not allow its employees to bring guns onto park property. Universal Orlando, which employs 13,000 people, has a similar policy. About 353,000 people in Florida, meanwhile, have concealed-weapons permits, according to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. That figure does not include people who don't need to obtain the licenses, such as police and military personnel.

Despite the battle in Oklahoma, supporters are lining up in Tallahassee. The House bill has already attracted 10 co-sponsors. Backers say they are confident they will get the law passed during next year's legislative session, which begins in March. The NRA is among the most powerful groups in Florida politics, wielding an active grass-roots membership and having contributed $330,000 to the Republican Party since 1996, state records show.

In the past two years, the group has won approval for measures that protect gun ranges from being forced by governments to clean up lead pollution from bullets, prevent police from creating gun databases and allow people to shoot attackers without first trying to retreat.

Marion Hammer, an NRA lobbyist, said the group will make the parking-lot bills (HB 129 and SB 206) a priority in 2006.

"For a business to tell you that in order to come onto their property, you have to give up your constitutional right is wrong," Hammer said.

Debate about guns in workplace parking lots erupted in 2002, when 12 workers at an Oklahoma paper mill lost their jobs after managers found guns in their vehicles parked on site, a violation of company policy. The state's Legislature responded by passing a law giving employees the right to keep guns locked in their cars at work. Several companies filed suit in a case still winding its way through federal court. The issue gained national attention in August, when the NRA, which says it has 4.3 million members, launched a boycott of ConocoPhillips gas stations. The group also has erected billboards that read "ConocoPhillips is No Friend of the Second Amendment."

State Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, said he decided to file a Florida bill after learning of the issue through media accounts, NRA publications and conversations with Hammer.

"I thought it was a good time for Florida to go ahead and take a position," Baxley said. "What we're trying to do is avert what we see as some backdoor gun control."

Under the bills, companies that try to stop workers from bringing in their guns would be committing a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison and $5,000 in fines. Supporters of such laws say they prevent companies from forcing workers to give up their constitutional right to carry firearms. It's important for people to have their gun close at hand, they say, citing examples where employees must walk through dark parking lots after work.

"An employer needs to recognize the right of its employees to lawfully defend themselves," said Rep. Joe Negron, R-Stuart, who is running for attorney general and has signed on as a co-sponsor to Baxley's bill.

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Yep I agree. I am a Police Officer but I am also a supporter of the "right to bear arms" to an extent. There is no damn reason why people should be bringing guns to work in their cars! Besides...that is just asking for auto burglars to go on a shopping spree. Just what we need...more meth monkeys with guns!

 
I guess the correct question would be is this against ones rights? I would say that if the employee parks on company property, the company has every right to ban the possession of weapons on company property.

If they dont park on company property, I dont see how they would be able to enact such a ban. Maybe AR has some legal advice on this issue?

I know that I guy I used to work with (old job) used to bring his guns (and dog) to work quite alot, as he would take off and go hunting after his shift. Even though we had guards and a fenced parking lot, there were occasional breakins. I went hunting with him quite abit, and I remember leaving my 12 GA in the truck one time, and I didnt feel very comfortable doing so. I would hate to have it stolen.

 
I guess the correct question would be is this against ones rights? I would say that if the employee parks on company property, the company has every right to ban the possession of weapons on company property.
If they dont park on company property, I dont see how they would be able to enact such a ban. Maybe AR has some legal advice on this issue?

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Precisely correct.

Just to add, while there is a constitutional right to bear arms, that right, like all rights, is not unlimited. The government can easily ban guns at the workplace as they can at schools, for very similar public policy considerations.

 
Yes, but even thought the car is in the company parking lot, the car is personal property. Can't you have whatever you want, that's not illegal, in your privet property? What if you had a six pack in the trunk? The reason I say this is my fathers company bans smoking on their property but have to allow the employees to smoke in their cars because it's privet property?..

 
Yes, but even thought the car is in the company parking lot, the car is personal property. Can't you have whatever you want, that's not illegal, in your privet property? What if you had a six pack in the trunk? The reason I say this is my fathers company bans smoking on their property but have to allow the employees to smoke in their cars because it's privet property?..
No. The company can ban it on their property. For example, if they choose to ban automobiles on their lot, they can do so. All the same thing.

The property right is the right to hold property against an unlawful governmental taking - it does not extend to private, non-governmental entities. It is the choice of the individual whether they will work for someone that bans something.

 
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