Rising / Risen Programs....what was the magic?

probably a lot of answers..recruiting. strength and conditioning, coaching, . we are no longer tops in S and C, we never were in recruiting but we had a good coach who went through a lot of bumps beofre breaking through...

also a lot of players used to have to go to 20 or so schools to be seen on tv, we were one of the schools on tv a lot,back in the day there may be a 1/2 dozen games on tv a weekends, now they pretty much all are

things have dramatically changed in the last 15 years. i saw a study once that said the average recruit 20 years ago went 750 some miles from home to play, now the average is less than 200...and many of those recruits come from TX, CA, AZ, FL deep south..so they stay there.

so thats probably a few things...it is maybe harder to recruit north, you probably need a coach that the kids will break all the new rules listed above for....not a lot of that north now..Ohio state maybe..and oregon has done it with 100's of million from Phil knight..but they still dont have a natl champ. boise had a great coach who is gone....

you look beyond that and it seems a lot of the schools are where football is an all year sport with spring ball, etc. SEC, South, California, TX

just a few of my observatrions being around the huskers since te 70's. , im sure there is more
Spot on. Changing demographics (population growth in the south and loss in the upper mid-west and east), changing scholarships (limitations means the traditional schools could no longer stockpile talent, which in turns means more of the higher rated recruits had to consider other schools), changing coaching numbers (less coaches means less chance to individualize coaching, and particularly for Nebraska and a couple other schools, makes it harder to run a walk-on program), coaches salaries and facility costs (some schools didn't keep up, some suddenly went "all in" and hit the jackpot), changing player expectations (kids are too easily led to believe they can play immediately, which is usually nonsense if one thinks about it - a recent high-school grad competing for playing time against a 4th year junior who has been in the system and knows it, and been in the weight room and developed) and on and on...

 
I don't buy it. The SEC schools and tOSU lure kids from all over.
clearly not a scientific sampling ...from their rosters...about 100 kids?? OU had 9 kids or so from non south/SEC areas, Alabama had 13 or so. tOSU had a ton from Ohio. Oklahoma had a ton from Oklahoma. and texas..

Ohio is a big popuaion area...

Oklahoma is close to TX and has a lot of kids from there...

as far as Alabama and OU, you see the few here and there from IA, MN, Maryland, PN, KS but a lot from down south...

Ohio State has a lot from Ohio...

again not scuentific, but seems like a lot of TX, CA, FL

 
As soon as we find that guy at QB who has the "IT" factor, that may be all the little difference between 9-10 wins with 4 loss and 12-13 wins with 1-2 losses. I'm not trying to take a swipe at Armstrong, but even as a sophomore I don't know if he has it. He shows the leadership we all want, has a great deep ball, decent runner, but there's more to it. It showed last night.
As of today, we only have one loss this season. Armstrong may have the "it" factor your refer to, but instead of taking the time to find open receivers last evening he was too busy watching for who was going to clobber him after running around Sterup, through M Pelini or whatever it is that captain J Cotton doe
Armstrong hasn't been going through his progressions all season. It wasn't just last night.

 
The difference. In a word experience. NU hired Bo, at the time (and maybe still) a great hire. Bo then proceeded to put together a staff with a little experience i.e. Wats, Carl, Marvin, Cotton. Some left and some got let go. He then promoted Beck and Paps. Two guys who had very little experience as well. These two guys with very limited experience got the keys to the kingdom. What a friggin joke. Thats the problem.

Look at programs that have turned around. Now look at their staffs...............Now look at ours..........................This is something we can fix. The unethical recruiting or pay to play, IMO, is rampant in areas, but NU doesn't need to go there. That's something I don't want NU to get into.

 
I tell you where to start. Recruiting a difference maker at QB.

1000% agree. Look at Texas. 5-star players at every position except QB since Colt McCoy left. Nothing. USC. No QB in about 6 years. No good season in 6 years. NU in years before Frazier: regularly getting our butts kicked. A&M before Manziel: 20 years of sheer mediocrity. FSU with Crab-boy: totally stunk for 10 years before he arrived. Florida since Tebow left: totally suck. There are 22 starters on every team, but one position is so utterly more important than others that you can't win big without a phenomenal player in that position.
And sadly, those type of quarterbacks are few and very far between. Lots of very good QBs.....very few game changing QBs.

 
Guys. The talent is here. And frankly it always has been. Its the same song and verse in critical moments though. Last night it was coin toss and snapping the ball. Simple basics of football that we time and time again fail to execute in the big moment. I saw this comin against mcneese. But i dared to believe this team was different after the Miami game. But its clearly obvious again that the same problems are still there in year 7. I just watched the game again like i always do on sunday nights and i dint get it. Its really sad. Its year 7 and we have now come out and completely sh#t the bed for the second time already in only 6 games. Im sorry. I have no problem saying that ive lost faith in a Pelini run program to get over this hump. We're topped out. We really are. The injuries are piling up. Wisconsin and Iowa/minnesota/rutgers are gonna beat us and well lose to Georgia in the cap one bowl. Its not my call to decide on changes. Its up to folks that make the decisions whether this current state is where we wanna be.

 
Good input guys...thanks. One thing that kind of spins my head on all the one word "Coaching" answers goes back to Okie Lite. Jimmy Johnson couldn't establish a legit winning program at Stillwater, but then did great at the U of Miami and Dallas...so there has to be something beyond coaching...maybe it's thugs....lol.

 
My point is, if you have a top-notch coach, you can lure top 4- and 5-star recruits from no matter where they live.
All the stars Michigan has accumulated doesn't seem to be helping them. Recruiting stars are worthless. You want to know the real value of a player, look at his offer list. Coaches watch game film constantly. They don't rely on any website rankings.

Personally, I think it has to do with one thing: location. I think the "they cheat in recruiting, but we don't!" is totally overblown. They all cheat, get over it.

The talent is in Southern California, Texas, and the South. There is a small pocket of "B Minus" talent in the Ohio/Michigan area.

Look at the AP Top 25. These are the only ranked schools that are in or right next door to one of those talent pools:

Notre Dame- Kind of a different animal, but it is really impressive what Brian Kelly is building there. In today's game, it is hard to get players to South Bend. I watched them this weekend, and everybody on the field seemed to be a freshamn or sophmore.

Michigan St.- a program we should really try to model our program after. They have been a solid program for a decade, and are starting to crawl into that "elite" category. They have the advantage of being in the Ohio/Michigan talent area, but they have to compete with the Michigans, Notre Dames, and Ohio st.s og the world for those recruits. We need to take notes.

Oregon- completly different animal. Somewhat close to so cal, and has the whole unform/nike thing. Not sure Nebraska could take much from oregon.

Ohio St., legendary program with a stranglehold on all ohio/michigan talent. Throw in Urban's ties to the south, and you have a juggernaught program.

Kansas St- a true outlier. They have no business being any good, but Bill Snyder always has a decent team.

Nebraska- we are a true outlier as well. No talent within 500 miles. Its actually kind of amazing we win 9-10 games every year.

Missouri- getting close to the South, and they can sell the recruits that they are in the SEC and will play their hometown teams. Might take a couple years to let the dust settle and really figure out where Missouri stands.

Whats the point? The point is we are one of a small group of schools that sit outside the major talent areas, yet still field a decent/pretty good team. It is not an easy thing to do. Sadly, I think this may be the ceiling in today's landscape.
I stopped reading this post at the bold point. The Ohio/Michigan talent pool is pretty damn good. Much better than a B- grade. It's not a small pool either.

 
Personally, I think it has to do with one thing: location. I think the "they cheat in recruiting, but we don't!" is totally overblown. They all cheat, get over it.

The talent is in Southern California, Texas, and the South. There is a small pocket of "B Minus" talent in the Ohio/Michigan area.

Look at the AP Top 25. These are the only ranked schools that are in or right next door to one of those talent pools:

Notre Dame- Kind of a different animal, but it is really impressive what Brian Kelly is building there. In today's game, it is hard to get players to South Bend. I watched them this weekend, and everybody on the field seemed to be a freshamn or sophmore.

Michigan St.- a program we should really try to model our program after. They have been a solid program for a decade, and are starting to crawl into that "elite" category. They have the advantage of being in the Ohio/Michigan talent area, but they have to compete with the Michigans, Notre Dames, and Ohio st.s og the world for those recruits. We need to take notes.

Oregon- completly different animal. Somewhat close to so cal, and has the whole unform/nike thing. Not sure Nebraska could take much from oregon.

Ohio St., legendary program with a stranglehold on all ohio/michigan talent. Throw in Urban's ties to the south, and you have a juggernaught program.

Kansas St- a true outlier. They have no business being any good, but Bill Snyder always has a decent team.

Nebraska- we are a true outlier as well. No talent within 500 miles. Its actually kind of amazing we win 9-10 games every year.

Missouri- getting close to the South, and they can sell the recruits that they are in the SEC and will play their hometown teams. Might take a couple years to let the dust settle and really figure out where Missouri stands.

Whats the point? The point is we are one of a small group of schools that sit outside the major talent areas, yet still field a decent/pretty good team. It is not an easy thing to do. Sadly, I think this may be the ceiling in today's landscape.
If anything MSU modeled their program off of you. Although they don't run the option, they're built on running the ball and attacking defense without few highly talented players. Most of the other teams on your list that came out of nowhere use some kind of air raid. I guess NU should stick with Midwestern power football because there isn't a lot of speed in your footprint. I could tell last night that this Husker team was not built to go 5 wide.

 
Guys. The talent is here. And frankly it always has been. Its the same song and verse in critical moments though. Last night it was coin toss and snapping the ball. Simple basics of football that we time and time again fail to execute in the big moment. I saw this comin against mcneese. But i dared to believe this team was different after the Miami game. But its clearly obvious again that the same problems are still there in year 7. I just watched the game again like i always do on sunday nights and i dint get it. Its really sad. Its year 7 and we have now come out and completely sh#t the bed for the second time already in only 6 games. Im sorry. I have no problem saying that ive lost faith in a Pelini run program to get over this hump. We're topped out. We really are. The injuries are piling up. Wisconsin and Iowa/minnesota/rutgers are gonna beat us and well lose to Georgia in the cap one bowl. Its not my call to decide on changes. Its up to folks that make the decisions whether this current state is where we wanna be.
Some valid points. Not based on the emotion of last night, but a continued model of performance based on 7 years of product..........

 
I'm going to say this one more time. At the HS where I teach, there's a kid named Lowell Narcisse who is currently a sophomore. He is currently ranked as the #3 dual-threat QB for the 2017 class. About 10 years ago his first cousin, Chad Jasmin, played for us and was the #1 RB in the nation and Nebraska recruited him hard, but he ended up choosing Clemson and eventually played for the Seahawks. Anyway, I've known this kid since 7th grade and since I taught him, he knows all about Nebraska football. My classroom is filled with Nebraska football memorabilia and ever since I've known him I've been drilling Nebraska football into his head. During his 8th grade year his career took off and I knew the kid was going to be something special. I immediately contacted their coaching staff (Aaryn Kearney, to be specific) and told them about him. They asked me to send video, highlights, etc. and I did. Then, last year, he became our varsity starter as a freshman. The prior year we didn't win a single game. With him at the helm -- as a freshman -- we went to the state quarterfinals where we lost by 1 TD to the eventual state champions. Once again, all during his freshman campaign I emailed the staff, sent his stats, highlights, etc. and told them they needed to get on him immediately because he is difference-maker. Once again I was told that they'd "keep and eye out for him" and made no efforts to contact him, none whatsoever. Then, over the summer he attended the LSU and Mississippi State camps, and apparently performed extremely well. Illinois immediately made him a full-ride offer without ever even seeing him play. Les Miles and Frank Wilson from LSU came to our school to check him out. Once again I contacted the staff and asked what was up. I was suddenly told that they were "extremely interested" and would make contact. Unfortunately, by that time every other team in the SEC and elsewhere was extremely interested, too. Finally a couple weeks back he came to me and said, "Hey coach, I finally received something from Nebraska." He sounded really disappointed, especially after everything I'd been telling him about the program. So of course this season, as expected, he's been lighting things up, averaging over 400 all-purpose yards per game. He's scored at least 4 TDs in all six games this season. I basically gave the coaches a goldmine of a present, and they dropped the ball. This is why we can never catch up to the big boys, and never get ahead, because we don't do the little things that other teams are willing to do to give them an edge. I doubt they ever even looked at the film I sent, or any of the other stuff. I'm sure they just brushed it off and waited for the recruiting services to mention his name. It's a damn shame.
I understand what you are saying but Teach is right. They get thousands of tips about kids all the time and 99% of them don't pan out. Your kid sounds legitimately good I hope they can still get in on him
Sadly, probably too late now. Here are his stats, as a sophomore, through 6 games.

110/180 1620 yds. 16 TD/3INT

79 carries/663 yards/7 TD

And say what you want, but other teams apparently took the time to check into it... All they would have had to do is watch the tape and they'd have seen.
You're mad because we waited until a kids SOPHOMORE year to offer him? Wow. That's pretty damn early to get in on someone if you ask me. If he feels disrespected because we weren't the first to make contact, then that's BS and you know it.

The entire nation was laughing at USC/Kiffin for offering someone in 8th grade. Kids develop diff. and might not turn out to be anything by the time they are seniors. Btw, what ever happened to that kid? Did he end up going to USC? Serious question.

 
Guys. The talent is here. And frankly it always has been. Its the same song and verse in critical moments though. Last night it was coin toss and snapping the ball. Simple basics of football that we time and time again fail to execute in the big moment. I saw this comin against mcneese. But i dared to believe this team was different after the Miami game. But its clearly obvious again that the same problems are still there in year 7. I just watched the game again like i always do on sunday nights and i dint get it. Its really sad. Its year 7 and we have now come out and completely sh#t the bed for the second time already in only 6 games. Im sorry. I have no problem saying that ive lost faith in a Pelini run program to get over this hump. We're topped out. We really are. The injuries are piling up. Wisconsin and Iowa/minnesota/rutgers are gonna beat us and well lose to Georgia in the cap one bowl. Its not my call to decide on changes. Its up to folks that make the decisions whether this current state is where we wanna be.
You keep coming back to this coin toss thing. You are of the opinion that we want the wind in the first quarter. I am of the opinion that you want the wind in the 2nd and 4th quarter. Just like baseball, you want the last at bat. Id rather have momentum going into half than gaining an early lead and letting the opponent get back into the game right before half. So while you think it was a terrible decision, I think it was the right thing to do. And Im sure Im not the only one who feels that way.

 
I'm going to say this one more time. At the HS where I teach, there's a kid named Lowell Narcisse who is currently a sophomore. He is currently ranked as the #3 dual-threat QB for the 2017 class. About 10 years ago his first cousin, Chad Jasmin, played for us and was the #1 RB in the nation and Nebraska recruited him hard, but he ended up choosing Clemson and eventually played for the Seahawks. Anyway, I've known this kid since 7th grade and since I taught him, he knows all about Nebraska football. My classroom is filled with Nebraska football memorabilia and ever since I've known him I've been drilling Nebraska football into his head. During his 8th grade year his career took off and I knew the kid was going to be something special. I immediately contacted their coaching staff (Aaryn Kearney, to be specific) and told them about him. They asked me to send video, highlights, etc. and I did. Then, last year, he became our varsity starter as a freshman. The prior year we didn't win a single game. With him at the helm -- as a freshman -- we went to the state quarterfinals where we lost by 1 TD to the eventual state champions. Once again, all during his freshman campaign I emailed the staff, sent his stats, highlights, etc. and told them they needed to get on him immediately because he is difference-maker. Once again I was told that they'd "keep and eye out for him" and made no efforts to contact him, none whatsoever. Then, over the summer he attended the LSU and Mississippi State camps, and apparently performed extremely well. Illinois immediately made him a full-ride offer without ever even seeing him play. Les Miles and Frank Wilson from LSU came to our school to check him out. Once again I contacted the staff and asked what was up. I was suddenly told that they were "extremely interested" and would make contact. Unfortunately, by that time every other team in the SEC and elsewhere was extremely interested, too. Finally a couple weeks back he came to me and said, "Hey coach, I finally received something from Nebraska." He sounded really disappointed, especially after everything I'd been telling him about the program. So of course this season, as expected, he's been lighting things up, averaging over 400 all-purpose yards per game. He's scored at least 4 TDs in all six games this season. I basically gave the coaches a goldmine of a present, and they dropped the ball. This is why we can never catch up to the big boys, and never get ahead, because we don't do the little things that other teams are willing to do to give them an edge. I doubt they ever even looked at the film I sent, or any of the other stuff. I'm sure they just brushed it off and waited for the recruiting services to mention his name. It's a damn shame.
I understand what you are saying but Teach is right. They get thousands of tips about kids all the time and 99% of them don't pan out. Your kid sounds legitimately good I hope they can still get in on him
Sadly, probably too late now. Here are his stats, as a sophomore, through 6 games.

110/180 1620 yds. 16 TD/3INT

79 carries/663 yards/7 TD

And say what you want, but other teams apparently took the time to check into it... All they would have had to do is watch the tape and they'd have seen.
You're mad because we waited until a kids SOPHOMORE year to offer him? Wow. That's pretty damn early to get in on someone if you ask me. If he feels disrespected because we weren't the first to make contact, then that's BS and you know it.
The entire nation was laughing at USC/Kiffin for offering someone in 8th grade. Kids develop diff. and might not turn out to be anything by the time they are seniors. Btw, what ever happened to that kid? Did he end up going to USC? Serious question.
The kid has yet to play any high school ball apparently
Edit: he has played, im looking for stats

 
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