Scott Frost talks Nebraska/Oregon Offenses
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Red Tape
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This is how an offense should be built. Not a conglomerate of a bunch of different stuff that works at different times. We need a system that has been built to work as a whole. This is what scares me about some of the beck quotes. I have heard it mentioned numerous times that its multiple and has several looks and blah blah blah.... I guess we will have to wait and see
kchusker_chris
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so...scott no likey "multiple"
zoogs
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Does Scott not like 'multiple'?
It's just different ways of saying the same thing, people.
Of course Chip Kelly is a mad genius, and that's why Oregon's system is so good. It isn't really the style of what he does so much as the system he has crafted and fine tuned. Like Scott said, it isn't the scheme. It isn't the 'spread option' or 'zone read' or whatever buzzwords. It's the totality of the system that they have spent years putting in place and getting it oiled to run to the point where it is now.
What we had at the beginning of the year last year showed some dazzling promise, but was obviously far from crafted and fine tuned. More like haphazardly cut out from a different flavor that had been in place throughout the offseason. Now of course we're going in a different direction. So expect bumps. But have faith in Beck. True teachers are always a good thing. Beck's system...I don't know. Seems like we want to go in an Oregon-ish direction. Without Kelly, it could be tough, you know? But it could also work. A marriage of the spread option with Beck's efficient passing tree at Kansas. Wouldn't that be deadly, if he could pull it off?
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Kelly isn't a wizard. He's smart, but he's had time to put that system in place, and he's had good continuity on his staff. Most of what he does isn't some new brilliant thing, most of it is based on what Osborne did. If Beck is trying to run something similar, he probably just needs time. We know he's run the spread option when he coached high school (which I believe is far more telling than what he did at Kansas), and if he ever has any questions about it, he can just go ask his AD.
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zoogs
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It's true that he has had time, but more important than time to Oregon's success has been Chip Kelly.
The scheme is not necessarily unique, but the whole package of the system they have put in place, is pretty unique, IMO. The scheme may be based on what Osborne did, and the plays may not be new and so forth, but everything coming together has taken college football by storm. They do what they do very well.
It'd be like some token DC being expected to replicate what Bo does given a few years. Kelly may not be at Bo's level on offense, but he is far from some guy that just has had some time.
The scheme is not necessarily unique, but the whole package of the system they have put in place, is pretty unique, IMO. The scheme may be based on what Osborne did, and the plays may not be new and so forth, but everything coming together has taken college football by storm. They do what they do very well.
It'd be like some token DC being expected to replicate what Bo does given a few years. Kelly may not be at Bo's level on offense, but he is far from some guy that just has had some time.
redblooded
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Exactly as others have said, Oregon's offense isn't some big mystery, and I agree with Frost about the lack of physicality. Oregon's offense is basically trying to do exactly what Nebraska's old offense did. They wear defenses down, but they do by being as fast as they can between plays rather then just pound on a defense until they break. It's designed to create two problems, confusion and conditioning. Since the defense has to get up and get aligned fast and they'll have to play a lot more snaps then usual. If Frost figures out a way to get dominate linemen with depth enough to keep the pace up that'd be interesting.
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I don't mean to downplay Kelly's success, I just think that time has a lot to do with it. Osborne was a genius, but what separated him from everyone else was time. His offenses were successful in the 70's, when they were slightly more pro-style, and of course the Scoring Explosion in the early 80's was probably the most innovative and talented offense he ever fielded. But the reason his 90's offenses were so successful was because he and his staff had been working on it for so long that they knew the counter to any defensive adjustment. When you listen to the coaches audio from that 98 Orange Bowl, you can hear that Osborne and Solich are on the exact same page, reading the other's mind throughout the game. They had perfected the system.
Now we haven't seen Tim Beck gameplan or call plays yet, and we have no idea if his knowledge of the game is on par with Chip Kelly. But even if it is, it'll take time to sort out how to teach it, simplify it, how to adjust when the defense does this or that, etc etc. I just don't think that Chip Kelly should be anointed the Master of All Things Option. He's not. He's very good, but you don't have to have Chip Kelly in order to run a successful spread option attack. RichRod did it at two different schools, Urban Meyer did it at two different schools, Mack Brown and his OC did it, Nevada's been successful with their version of it. Hopefully, Tim Beck and Nebraska are next.
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zoogs
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Beck will have turned out to be a real hidden gem if he ends up being worthy of being mentioned with the likes of those guys.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for that to happen. Just realize that you're stacking him up against some of the giant names in college football offenses. Completely agree that it'll take time. But while I like Beck a lot, I don't think we should have those kind of expectations yet. He'd be our own Gus Malzahn find if that happened. But you are after all saying, "You don't have to be Chip Kelly, if you're Urban Meyer, Chris Ault, or Rich Rodriguez."
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for that to happen. Just realize that you're stacking him up against some of the giant names in college football offenses. Completely agree that it'll take time. But while I like Beck a lot, I don't think we should have those kind of expectations yet. He'd be our own Gus Malzahn find if that happened. But you are after all saying, "You don't have to be Chip Kelly, if you're Urban Meyer, Chris Ault, or Rich Rodriguez."
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I don't buy into the "hidden gem" thing. Every great coach was a "hidden gem" at some point, so if you've written off Beck's abilities just because he hasn't become famous yet, I think that's a little unfair. Tim Beck is a young guy, as far as coaches go, he has lots of time to prove that he's a great OC, and this is really going to be his first shot at it. We have no idea how good or not good he might be.
I also think it's ok to have high expectations of Beck. This is Nebraska - as far as I'm concerned, with our tradition, our program is still the King of option football. If we don't expect Beck to field a championship offense, then what are we doing? Why did Bo hire him?
I don't think it's fair to expect Beck to do it this year. Or next year, or even after a few years. But we should have an expectation that he's going to get us there eventually. Maybe Pelini/Beck will turn into Osborne/McBride, and it'll take them 20 more years to get over the hump, but when they do get that national championship, it'll be worth it.
Ah but we get ahead of ourselves. First things first - let's not turn the ball over 8 times, or get so many penalties that we end up punting on fourth and goal, or lose games by scores of 9-6.
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This. I think most of us would be happy with sustained drives instead of always hoping for an 80 yd run. I'll be pleased to see us just becoming more consistent and confident on offense. Fewer penalties would be nice, too. I don't plan on us looking like Oregon this year, but this idea of a no-huddle system could be exciting providing we don't always go 3-out and put our D out there too long.
Husker_x
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Part of the problem in modern CFB is that there is so little room for error, so little time to build and perfect, that even if you have a talented coordinator, you may never know it. I don't believe Watson was that. I don't know if Beck is. Beck is in a good situation, though. He doesn't have to produce an Oregon offense, a scoring explosion, a dominate score-a-thon machine in 2011. He has a Bo Pelini defense not just to lean on, but to carry him. If he can engineer 17-28 points a game, we will win a majority of our games.
What I hope to see that was never present under Watson––and this is on the entire staff, including Bo––is a sense of continuity. How can you even recruit when three seasons in a row we had to hear about finding our "identity"? How do you find guys to fit your system when whatever your system is constantly morphs into something else pre, mid, or post season? Now we're back at the drawing board again. I like what I'm hearing out of Beck. I trust Bo even though I have some serious reservations about the opportunity he passed up to really clean house and install whoever he wanted. The only thing we can't have this season is another Watsgrove experience. These juggernaut defensive units cannot be wasted season after season like they have.
What I hope to see that was never present under Watson––and this is on the entire staff, including Bo––is a sense of continuity. How can you even recruit when three seasons in a row we had to hear about finding our "identity"? How do you find guys to fit your system when whatever your system is constantly morphs into something else pre, mid, or post season? Now we're back at the drawing board again. I like what I'm hearing out of Beck. I trust Bo even though I have some serious reservations about the opportunity he passed up to really clean house and install whoever he wanted. The only thing we can't have this season is another Watsgrove experience. These juggernaut defensive units cannot be wasted season after season like they have.
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Because last season Watson's 'offense' was as inept as Cosgrove's 'defense' in 2007. So––Watsgrove.