T.O./9-game streak

[BigRedBuster]

In 2001, Crouch only averaged running the ball 2 more times per game than Frost in 1997.

 

[drfish]

I think it is likely that he would have seen the 9 game streak end, although it probably would not have been less than 8. If he had coached longer, you would have likely seen an offense a lot like tOSU ran last year. There were a lot of familiar concepts. IIRC, UM said that he basically took a lot of the concepts from Osborne's offense and just modified them to the spread, and I also think I heard Osborne say that he thought he probably would have moved in that same direction.

As far as MNC's go, I don't think Nebraska loses to TX in what was it '99 and they get another. I suspect that would have been the last. It is just too hard to win it all. There is no doubt in my mind that they would have been consistently in the top 15, instead of nowhere to be found in the ratings.

Old staff may have been part of the problem for Frank, but a bigger part was that he replaced an OC with over 25 years of experience calling plays with someone without previous experience and then in a few years, did the same with his DC.

 

[Count 'Bility]

I distinctly remember Frazier scoring a td on a 35 yard run against florida. Qb trap. 5 wr set.

 

[GOAT]

Seems like the majority of the bashing comes from the younger generation who like to remind everyone how the game has changed since TO's tenure and how the triple-option no longer is effective.

Your posts really do seem like you're a troll account. And your signature image takes the cake.

But tell us, what is your subjective cutoff point for "younger generation," age-wise?

Which of my posts, exactly, would lead you to think this? From the looks of this thread, it appears that there are plenty of others besides myself who feel the same way. Just seems like fans who weren't around (or old enough) for the 3 championships in the 90s are the majority of the ones who seem to quick to doubt.

This one, for example. Where you didn't answer his simple question.

Sorry, I assumed you could do the math. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Red Five]

Not to mention, sit down and watch games from the 97 season. Youll see Osborne already using the spread concepts that we see almost on sn exclusive basis today. Osborne was using spread option before college football even knew what it was

Pretty sure Urban has credited TO with some of his shotgun spread ideas.

 

[junior4949]

I can't think of one season from 97' to 15' where there hasn't been nine wins built into the schedule. Again, Bo managed to do it and he isn't near the coach TO was. Football is better than the ol' Big 8. However, we also play more games. What season since 97' scares people into believing TO wouldn't have managed to win nine games?

It could have been a close call around 07-09 when OU, OSU, Baylor, Missouri, Texas, aTM, and Tech were all at, or close to the top of their game. If we didn't adjust to the rise of the spread offense, it could have been a rough year or so in there.

Maybe, but I was assuming he continued to bring in the players he did in the mid-90's with McBride still being the DC. Were any of those teams you mentioned better than Florida in 95' that we absolutely destroyed? We may have only won one more NC which would have been 99' if TO were still coach, but I honestly don't see the 9 win steak ending. If a team has speed on defense, the spread really isn't something to give a lot of fear. Bo won 9 in two of the three years you listed. Bo more than likely will never be the caliber of coach TO was.

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

Seems like the majority of the bashing comes from the younger generation who like to remind everyone how the game has changed since TO's tenure and how the triple-option no longer is effective.

Your posts really do seem like you're a troll account. And your signature image takes the cake.

But tell us, what is your subjective cutoff point for "younger generation," age-wise?

Which of my posts, exactly, would lead you to think this? From the looks of this thread, it appears that there are plenty of others besides myself who feel the same way. Just seems like fans who weren't around (or old enough) for the 3 championships in the 90s are the majority of the ones who seem to quick to doubt.

I was around when Osborne took over from Devaney, and remember Tom's long evolution in offensive philosophy and the 20 years it took him to match personnel and scheme. And how it was his turnabout on defensive recruiting perhaps more than anything that led to those 1990s championships. It was a move towards speed, in which more top high school talent was being recruited for defensive secondaries, a move that would make it much more difficult for option offenses to work the corners in years to come. There are also 100 million more people living in the United States today, feeding more colleges with better players.

Tom Osborne is older than I am, and he is on record as saying his option offense probably wouldn't work today. He would have adapted, as he did in the first place, but there would have been rough patches ahead, as there were for every one of his contemporaries.

Anything else I can help you with, young feller?

 

[MichiganDad3]

But look how he did them. That was my point. Using a lit of spread concepts.

I think it was Frost where we first saw tje qb follow

My mainpoint was that theres this wrong perception that osborne ran the optio. 50 timesa game. That simply wasnt the case. And that it was Solich who began to overuse it.

I remember Solich being even worse with Lord than Crouch in this area. Of course we had much better I backs when Crouch was QB.

 

[BigRedBuster]

But look how he did them. That was my point. Using a lit of spread concepts.

I think it was Frost where we first saw tje qb follow

My mainpoint was that theres this wrong perception that osborne ran the optio. 50 timesa game. That simply wasnt the case. And that it was Solich who began to overuse it.

I remember Solich being even worse with Lord than Crouch in this area. Of course we had much better I backs when Crouch was QB.

Not sure what you are thinking Solich did more with Lord than with Crouch. However, if you are talking about over using the QB to run the ball, in 2001 Crouch ran an average of 16.9 times per game. In 2003, Lord ran it an average of 16.5 times per game.

To compare, in 1997, Frost ran the ball an average of 14.6 times per game. So, with both QBs, Solich only ran the QB 2 more times per game.

 

[Sargon]

Seems like the majority of the bashing comes from the younger generation who like to remind everyone how the game has changed since TO's tenure and how the triple-option no longer is effective.

Your posts really do seem like you're a troll account. And your signature image takes the cake.

But tell us, what is your subjective cutoff point for "younger generation," age-wise?

Which of my posts, exactly, would lead you to think this? From the looks of this thread, it appears that there are plenty of others besides myself who feel the same way. Just seems like fans who weren't around (or old enough) for the 3 championships in the 90s are the majority of the ones who seem to quick to doubt.

This one, for example. Where you didn't answer his simple question.

Sorry, I assumed you could do the math. Guess I was wrong.

Trolls say sorry when they aren't. Trolls veil personal attacks.