The Bad News Blackshirts

[sd'sker]

When you start to win--and you start to know you're a winner--you'll see that fire again.

That's huge. MSU's defense has that attitude. Hopefully we get it back.

we did in '09. i remember thinking i was more confident with our defense on the field than our offense. they had a better chance of scoring and less of a chance of giving up a td. it had a lot to do with their confidence and attitude (or, baditude, if you will).

 

[grandpasknee]

And..have to mention Rich Glover in that list of mean, nasty feared blackshirts of old. Damn I get goose bumps just thinking of the way that dude played "D"...

I would have put him on that list, but it was only a list of players I've watched. I was in diapers when Glover played.

psssshhhh....kids these days....lol I have to say, I was pretty young then too. My first game, I don't even remember who the opponent was..some Big 8 team...I was watching Glover through binoculars and he was jawing the guy across from him the whole game.....then just wrecking him....

 

[carlfense]

When you start to win--and you start to know you're a winner--you'll see that fire again.

That's huge. MSU's defense has that attitude. Hopefully we get it back.

we did in '09. i remember thinking i was more confident with our defense on the field than our offense. they had a better chance of scoring and less of a chance of giving up a td. it had a lot to do with their confidence and attitude (or, baditude, if you will).

Absolutely. That '09 defense was nasty. Everything that a defense should be.

 

[KazLong]

I would say this is how football rules have changed the game more then how the players have changed.

Here are a couple prime examples

Courtney Osborne's sack on Gabbert. Osbourne keeps his head up & Gabbert turtles up before the hit causing the hit to be high on Gabbert. Flag is thrown. In todays rules he could be tossed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOdXcMw5xw

SJB's hit on Prudue RB. SJB dropped his head & made contact with the players helmet and the football. He was tossed from the game. 10yrs ago that was a hit that was tought. Get your helmet on the ball and good thing will happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmHN5ya--ew

Heres another. Notre Dame DL drops his head to make a hit & the Pitt QB does the same. Both players drop there head but the DL is ejected for targeting even though the both dropped their heads to create the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxuVXRTt3I

The rules have been changed to put the defense at a dissadvantage. You will even see obvious holding calls not made. Has anyone ever seen a RB get thrown for a helmet hit? Probably not as that is not who they care about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omhTWveotos

While I agree with everything you said. A holding call can be be called each and every down if the refs are being technical on any team.

 

[Blackshirt96]

I would say this is how football rules have changed the game more then how the players have changed.

Here are a couple prime examples

Courtney Osborne's sack on Gabbert. Osbourne keeps his head up & Gabbert turtles up before the hit causing the hit to be high on Gabbert. Flag is thrown. In todays rules he could be tossed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOdXcMw5xw

SJB's hit on Prudue RB. SJB dropped his head & made contact with the players helmet and the football. He was tossed from the game. 10yrs ago that was a hit that was tought. Get your helmet on the ball and good thing will happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmHN5ya--ew

Heres another. Notre Dame DL drops his head to make a hit & the Pitt QB does the same. Both players drop there head but the DL is ejected for targeting even though the both dropped their heads to create the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCxuVXRTt3I

The rules have been changed to put the defense at a dissadvantage. You will even see obvious holding calls not made. Has anyone ever seen a RB get thrown for a helmet hit? Probably not as that is not who they care about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omhTWveotos

While I agree with everything you said. A holding call can be be called each and every down if the refs are being technical on any team.

That is why I said obvious holding calls. The inside stuff is gonna happen & refs can't make or see every little call, but when a OL gets beat turns around & grabs the back of a jersey just enough to let the QB flee & the ref is starring at the play & doesn't throw a flag is when there is a problem.