I know you're high on Tommy and I'm fine with it in general but you're also being delusional. Taylor was a better passer his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior years than Tommy was. I don't care that you think he has moxie or confidence or looks more natural with his throwing motion or has better mechanics or whatever - he passed the ball badly.Jesus........remind me next time to put my hip waders on before I read your next comments.Unfortunately, if last year was any indication, TA probably won't.It just baffles me that Beck would call more passes with a worse passing QB. But maybe that has to do with the fact that he relied on Taylor's legs too much, and TA will never have that ability.BrayWyatt said:http://btn.com/2014/07/08/tim-beck-qa-what-to-expect-from-nebraska-in-2014/
Like I said in one of the other Beck threads I bet we end up somewhere around a 55/45 split on run/pass this year, it was 60/40 in 2013. That's not necessarily a bad thing if Armstrong can hit the open seams.Q: What type of run-pass ratio would you like?
A: We have been a run-first team and have been for a long time. Id like to be more balanced than we are. Sometimes we get leads and settle in and maybe I get a little conservative.Q: What will you miss most about Taylor Martinez?
A: His big-play ability, no question about it. He could go to the house any time. That will be missed by us. Ameer, Kenny, Jamal, Newby, they have the ability to be that kind of player. Id like us to be more consistent, get five-, six-yard chunks in 10-, 12-play drives. Teams will dare us to pass. I know that. But thats OK. Tommy has to show people he can do it. If we are calling it right, things will be OK
Unless TA makes huge strides or Stanton takes the job, we're pretty well screwed this upcoming season.
Tommy is the better passer of the two, end of story. Armstrong is clearly not the track star Taylor was, but he sure looks good running the option and he's quite a bit more shifty than Taylor, even with the knee injury Tommy was dealing with last year. Unless TA makes HUGE strides or Stanton takes the job we're screwed? Based on what information do you draw that conclusion?
I don't care what percentage run/pass we end up next year. If the pass is working, pass the damn thing. If the run is working, run the damn thing. For Beck being so focused on drawing his scheme around the opposing defense, you would think run/pass ratio would mean jack crap to him. Take what the defense gives you. Establish the run,(which we've done) and mix in some pass to keep the defense honest, but if we end up 75% run - 25% pass but win 11 games, then who gives a rats a$$.
Then you wonder why Beck wants a 50/50 split then.I know you're high on Tommy and I'm fine with it in general but you're also being delusional. Taylor was a better passer his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior years than Tommy was. I don't care that you think he has moxie or confidence or looks more natural with his throwing motion or has better mechanics or whatever - he passed the ball badly.Jesus........remind me next time to put my hip waders on before I read your next comments.Unfortunately, if last year was any indication, TA probably won't.It just baffles me that Beck would call more passes with a worse passing QB. But maybe that has to do with the fact that he relied on Taylor's legs too much, and TA will never have that ability.BrayWyatt said:http://btn.com/2014/07/08/tim-beck-qa-what-to-expect-from-nebraska-in-2014/
Like I said in one of the other Beck threads I bet we end up somewhere around a 55/45 split on run/pass this year, it was 60/40 in 2013. That's not necessarily a bad thing if Armstrong can hit the open seams.Q: What type of run-pass ratio would you like?
A: We have been a run-first team and have been for a long time. Id like to be more balanced than we are. Sometimes we get leads and settle in and maybe I get a little conservative.Q: What will you miss most about Taylor Martinez?
A: His big-play ability, no question about it. He could go to the house any time. That will be missed by us. Ameer, Kenny, Jamal, Newby, they have the ability to be that kind of player. Id like us to be more consistent, get five-, six-yard chunks in 10-, 12-play drives. Teams will dare us to pass. I know that. But thats OK. Tommy has to show people he can do it. If we are calling it right, things will be OK
Unless TA makes huge strides or Stanton takes the job, we're pretty well screwed this upcoming season.
Tommy is the better passer of the two, end of story. Armstrong is clearly not the track star Taylor was, but he sure looks good running the option and he's quite a bit more shifty than Taylor, even with the knee injury Tommy was dealing with last year. Unless TA makes HUGE strides or Stanton takes the job we're screwed? Based on what information do you draw that conclusion?
I don't care what percentage run/pass we end up next year. If the pass is working, pass the damn thing. If the run is working, run the damn thing. For Beck being so focused on drawing his scheme around the opposing defense, you would think run/pass ratio would mean jack crap to him. Take what the defense gives you. Establish the run,(which we've done) and mix in some pass to keep the defense honest, but if we end up 75% run - 25% pass but win 11 games, then who gives a rats a$$.
I think hunter meant that we are screwed if Beck is stubborn and sticks to passing it a lot based on what we have seen out of Tommy so far, which seems pretty spot on to me. He hasn't proven that he is a good or even an average passer yet, hence hunter's inclusion of "unless he makes big strides".
Then you wonder why Beck wants a 50/50 split then.
True. And it's an interesting angle since we are without a big body receiver and have an offensive coordinator who wants to be multiple.Then you wonder why Beck wants a 50/50 split then.
He knows the defenses are going to give us open receivers and are going to dare Armstrong to throw, it's up to #4 if we succeed or not.
4 receiver spread single back sets all season long. Short slants and curl routes getting 4 or 5 yards a pop it sounds like from Beck's answer.True. And it's an interesting angle since we are without a big body receiver and have an offensive coordinator who wants to be multiple.Then you wonder why Beck wants a 50/50 split then.
He knows the defenses are going to give us open receivers and are going to dare Armstrong to throw, it's up to #4 if we succeed or not.
Whereas I think Nebraska might be able to dictate terms in the trenches next year.
4 receiver spread single back sets all season long. Short slants and curl routes getting 4 or 5 yards a pop it sounds like from Beck's answer.
Then you wonder why Beck wants a 50/50 split then.
I don't have stats for the various formations, but I remember NU running pretty well out of the single back sets. MSU in particular I remember we spread them out and then ran the ball. So 4-wide 1-back sets might be productive for both running and opening up the passing game.4 receiver spread single back sets all season long. Short slants and curl routes getting 4 or 5 yards a pop it sounds like from Beck's answer.
Exactly, thank you. All stats and total offensive output be damned, some people are going to try to convince themselves that Tommy is the better passer because he had a prettier throwing motion and he looks like more of a leader in a press conference. I'll base my opinion on what is actually done on the field.I know you're high on Tommy and I'm fine with it in general but you're also being delusional. Taylor was a better passer his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior years than Tommy was. I don't care that you think he has moxie or confidence or looks more natural with his throwing motion or has better mechanics or whatever - he passed the ball badly.Jesus........remind me next time to put my hip waders on before I read your next comments.Unfortunately, if last year was any indication, TA probably won't.It just baffles me that Beck would call more passes with a worse passing QB. But maybe that has to do with the fact that he relied on Taylor's legs too much, and TA will never have that ability.BrayWyatt said:http://btn.com/2014/07/08/tim-beck-qa-what-to-expect-from-nebraska-in-2014/
Like I said in one of the other Beck threads I bet we end up somewhere around a 55/45 split on run/pass this year, it was 60/40 in 2013. That's not necessarily a bad thing if Armstrong can hit the open seams.Q: What type of run-pass ratio would you like?
A: We have been a run-first team and have been for a long time. Id like to be more balanced than we are. Sometimes we get leads and settle in and maybe I get a little conservative.Q: What will you miss most about Taylor Martinez?
A: His big-play ability, no question about it. He could go to the house any time. That will be missed by us. Ameer, Kenny, Jamal, Newby, they have the ability to be that kind of player. Id like us to be more consistent, get five-, six-yard chunks in 10-, 12-play drives. Teams will dare us to pass. I know that. But thats OK. Tommy has to show people he can do it. If we are calling it right, things will be OK
Unless TA makes huge strides or Stanton takes the job, we're pretty well screwed this upcoming season.
Tommy is the better passer of the two, end of story. Armstrong is clearly not the track star Taylor was, but he sure looks good running the option and he's quite a bit more shifty than Taylor, even with the knee injury Tommy was dealing with last year. Unless TA makes HUGE strides or Stanton takes the job we're screwed? Based on what information do you draw that conclusion?
I don't care what percentage run/pass we end up next year. If the pass is working, pass the damn thing. If the run is working, run the damn thing. For Beck being so focused on drawing his scheme around the opposing defense, you would think run/pass ratio would mean jack crap to him. Take what the defense gives you. Establish the run,(which we've done) and mix in some pass to keep the defense honest, but if we end up 75% run - 25% pass but win 11 games, then who gives a rats a$$.
I think hunter meant that we are screwed if Beck is stubborn and sticks to passing it a lot based on what we have seen out of Tommy so far, which seems pretty spot on to me. He hasn't proven that he is a good or even an average passer yet, hence hunter's inclusion of "unless he makes big strides".
.Exactly, thank you. All stats and total offensive output be damned, some people are going to try to convince themselves that Tommy is the better passer because he had a prettier throwing motion and he looks like more of a leader in a press conference. I'll base my opinion on what is actually done on the field.I know you're high on Tommy and I'm fine with it in general but you're also being delusional. Taylor was a better passer his freshman, sophomore, junior and senior years than Tommy was. I don't care that you think he has moxie or confidence or looks more natural with his throwing motion or has better mechanics or whatever - he passed the ball badly.Jesus........remind me next time to put my hip waders on before I read your next comments.Unfortunately, if last year was any indication, TA probably won't.BrayWyatt said:http://btn.com/2014/07/08/tim-beck-qa-what-to-expect-from-nebraska-in-2014/Like I said in one of the other Beck threads I bet we end up somewhere around a 55/45 split on run/pass this year, it was 60/40 in 2013. That's not necessarily a bad thing if Armstrong can hit the open seams.Q: What type of run-pass ratio would you like?A: We have been a run-first team and have been for a long time. Id like to be more balanced than we are. Sometimes we get leads and settle in and maybe I get a little conservative.Q: What will you miss most about Taylor Martinez?
A: His big-play ability, no question about it. He could go to the house any time. That will be missed by us. Ameer, Kenny, Jamal, Newby, they have the ability to be that kind of player. Id like us to be more consistent, get five-, six-yard chunks in 10-, 12-play drives. Teams will dare us to pass. I know that. But thats OK. Tommy has to show people he can do it. If we are calling it right, things will be OK
It just baffles me that Beck would call more passes with a worse passing QB. But maybe that has to do with the fact that he relied on Taylor's legs too much, and TA will never have that ability.
Unless TA makes huge strides or Stanton takes the job, we're pretty well screwed this upcoming season.
Tommy is the better passer of the two, end of story. Armstrong is clearly not the track star Taylor was, but he sure looks good running the option and he's quite a bit more shifty than Taylor, even with the knee injury Tommy was dealing with last year. Unless TA makes HUGE strides or Stanton takes the job we're screwed? Based on what information do you draw that conclusion?
I don't care what percentage run/pass we end up next year. If the pass is working, pass the damn thing. If the run is working, run the damn thing. For Beck being so focused on drawing his scheme around the opposing defense, you would think run/pass ratio would mean jack crap to him. Take what the defense gives you. Establish the run,(which we've done) and mix in some pass to keep the defense honest, but if we end up 75% run - 25% pass but win 11 games, then who gives a rats a$$.
I think hunter meant that we are screwed if Beck is stubborn and sticks to passing it a lot based on what we have seen out of Tommy so far, which seems pretty spot on to me. He hasn't proven that he is a good or even an average passer yet, hence hunter's inclusion of "unless he makes big strides".
I think his biggest issue was just getting thrown into the fire. Mentally he went into the season expecting at most 50-75 snaps. A few games in and he's the starter. Give the kid an entire year to prepare, knowing the spot is his and he's going to be a different player. Everyone will be on the same page. I don't put a lot of weight in Armstrong's performance last year. I think we'll see a huge improvement.TA struggled like a lot of young quarterbacks struggle. And it doesn't help things when you've got a banged up offensive line including your best linemen.
With Bell at receiver you'd be crazy not to throw, and with Abdullah/Cross in the backfield, you'd be crazy not to run. But, AA is still the best weapon on that offense IMHO and had to be a lot last year. I expect we'll still probably be 60-40 run/pass team.