When 9 wins a year isn't the whole story.

[Junior]

The beauty is we didn't have to find out.

The point being, perhaps we can dispense with the Osborne comparisons when they simply aren't valid. Bo Pelini =/= Tom Osborne. This isn't inherently a bad thing, either. But people need to stop acting like we can expect a national championship in 16 years.

 

[sd'sker]

i think the point should be that sticking with TO was the right choice. but that has nothing to do with whether or not sticking with bo is the right choice. it might be, maybe he is the right guy. i do not know and would not have to decide. but what does TO career have to do with that? different coaches with different situations.

 

[StPaulHusker]

If we only win 9 wins forever, that is bad.

The fact we have had 9+ wins the last 6 years shows a consistent base to build off of considering where we were before.

Absolutely...and making a jump to 13 or 14-0 is easier from 9 wins per season than it is from only having 3-5 wins per season.

Or not. As per the Auburn example. Which is admittedly rare. But if you could tough out a 3 - 9 rebuilding and coach-removing season, put together a season of miracle finishes and be playing for the national championship the next season, it would be pretty damn fun. You'd also be only two years removed from a National Championship and nine years removed from another unbeaten season.

To put it another way, if you went swaggering into an Auburn fan site brandishing Nebraska's string of 9+ win seasons, absolutely no one would be jealous of you. Nor should they be.

Auburn is so rare of a case that they are most definitely the exception to the rule. I can't think of another school out there over the last 15 years that has done what they have done.

 

[StPaulHusker]

So he tied for 1st 2 times in his first 6 years. Does the university claim it as a conference championship?

Go ask them? And read this to get your perspective back: http://www.cornnatio...ace-the-huskers (disclaimer, I wrote it...but it makes all the points people should consider with respect to how much time Pelini 'should be given')

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Osborne

Quote: Osborne's Huskers also won or shared 12 Big Eight Conference titles and one Big 12 Conference title

 

[sd'sker]

furthermore on the 9 win thing. yes, bo has set that benchmark, 9 or 10 wins. what other benchmarks has he set? 4 losses, inconsistent teams, not being able to put 4 qtrs together, getting outcoached in his two most recent conference champ appearances, blowout losses...

he also runs a clean program, seems to care about bigger picture stuff, and he has done good things for the program.

it just gets old when people's dissatisfaction with the product on the field and the outcome of a season are met with a shrug of the shoulders and a, "9 wins."

 

[StPaulHusker]

I always remember that it took Tom Osborne 22 years to win the National Championship. It doesn't matter if Nebraska wins 9, 10, or wins them all. What matters is winning the right way. In the deed the glory.

And that's great... but it also didn't take Osborne 6 years to win a conference championship. So, it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

No you're right...it took him 9 years.

He shared the conference title in year 3

 

[Junior]

I always remember that it took Tom Osborne 22 years to win the National Championship. It doesn't matter if Nebraska wins 9, 10, or wins them all. What matters is winning the right way. In the deed the glory.

And that's great... but it also didn't take Osborne 6 years to win a conference championship. So, it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

No you're right...it took him 9 years.

So we aren't counting 1975 and 1978? The University is...

 

[StPaulHusker]

furthermore on the 9 win thing. yes, bo has set that benchmark, 9 or 10 wins. what other benchmarks has he set? 4 losses, inconsistent teams, not being able to put 4 qtrs together, getting outcoached in his two most recent conference champ appearances, blowout losses...

he also runs a clean program, seems to care about bigger picture stuff, and he has done good things for the program.

it just gets old when people's dissatisfaction with the product on the field and the outcome of a season are met with a shrug of the shoulders and a, "9 wins."

At the risk of nitpicking, he did not get blown out in the Big 12 Conference Championship games. B1G-yes. Outcoached, I would say versus OU in the second half and certainly against Wisconsin. I think he did a fine job against Texas, just didn't have enough at QB to get it done.

 

[Foppa]

Maybe it's open for interpretation, but I think I just always want Nebraska....to be Nebraska.

 

[StPaulHusker]

So he tied for 1st 2 times in his first 6 years. Does the university claim it as a conference championship?

Go ask them? And read this to get your perspective back: http://www.cornnatio...ace-the-huskers (disclaimer, I wrote it...but it makes all the points people should consider with respect to how much time Pelini 'should be given')

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Tom_Osborne

Quote: Osborne's Huskers also won or shared 12 Big Eight Conference titles and one Big 12 Conference title

Yay for no conference championship games! Enjoy an antiquated stat that Bo could never share with TO and make sure you compare him to that that stat to make it nice and even.

I am not sure what you want. The university shows that he won a conference championship in year 3 but since it wasn't a conference championship game it no longer counts? in that case, Nebraska didn't win one under Osborne until they beat Texas A & M.

 

[kchusker_chris]

Auburn is so rare of a case that they are most definitely the exception to the rule. I can't think of another school out there over the last 15 years that has done what they have done.

Are they? Maybe year-over-year - but how many coaches have won big in years 2 and 3 or their employment? Happens all the time. it's not like they took over for fired coaches that were winning 10 games before they got there. See Malzahn this year, Bill O'Brien last year, Urban Meyer (twice), Saba, Stoops - the list goes on. You'll find more coaches that have won early in their career, than you'll find coaches that performed like Bo over a long period and then found success. The only program I can think of that has consistently performed in the 8-10 range for a number of years then had success is South Carolina - and even they haven't won anything of substance...but they're certainly on the brink.

 

[Junior]

So he tied for 1st 2 times in his first 6 years. Does the university claim it as a conference championship?

Go ask them? And read this to get your perspective back: http://www.cornnatio...ace-the-huskers (disclaimer, I wrote it...but it makes all the points people should consider with respect to how much time Pelini 'should be given')

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Tom_Osborne

Quote: Osborne's Huskers also won or shared 12 Big Eight Conference titles and one Big 12 Conference title

Yay for no conference championship games! Enjoy an antiquated stat that Bo could never share with TO and make sure you compare him to that that stat to make it nice and even.

Great, so thanks for making my point. Stop comparing Osborne to Pelini, because the comparison ISN'T VALID.

 

[StPaulHusker]

Auburn is so rare of a case that they are most definitely the exception to the rule. I can't think of another school out there over the last 15 years that has done what they have done.

Are they? Maybe year-over-year - but how many coaches have won big in years 2 and 3 or their employment? Happens all the time. it's not like they took over for fired coaches that were winning 10 games before they got there. See Malzahn this year, Bill O'Brien last year, Urban Meyer (twice), Saba, Stoops - the list goes on. You'll find more coaches that have one early in their career, than you'll find coaches that performed like Bo over a long period and then found success. The only program I can think of that has consistently performed in the 8-10 range for a number of years then had success is South Carolina - and even they haven't won anything of substance...but they're certainly on the brink.

Show me one other school that has come close to doing what Auburn has done over the last 6 years.

 

[sd'sker]

At the risk of nitpicking, he did not get blown out in the Big 12 Conference Championship games. B1G-yes. Outcoached, I would say versus OU in the second half and certainly against Wisconsin. I think he did a fine job against Texas, just didn't have enough at QB to get it done.

i was referencing blowout losses in general and getting out-coached specifically in the ccg's.

the 2009 ccg was a highlight of his tenure (one of my favorite experiences as a fan, even with the heartbreak); just not enough offense on that team.

 

[StPaulHusker]

At the risk of nitpicking, he did not get blown out in the Big 12 Conference Championship games. B1G-yes. Outcoached, I would say versus OU in the second half and certainly against Wisconsin. I think he did a fine job against Texas, just didn't have enough at QB to get it done.

i was referencing blowout losses in general and getting out-coached specifically in the ccg's.

the 2009 ccg was a highlight of his tenure (one of my favorite experiences as a fan, even with the heartbreak); just not enough offense on that team.

Understood.