Zone Read QB Keeper

[adc7236]

Has anyone else noticed how often we seem to get burned for chunks of yards on this play? If my gold fish memory serves me, Minnesota got some big yardage on this last year and most recently Oregon. Is this on the undisciplined play from the DE or is there something else I am missing here? (Real question) I believe we are going to see a lot of this from Northwestern this week.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Well, it was discussed last week that on the zone read, some teams had success always taking the RB and hitting him. Make the QB beat you. That beats up the RB and wears out the QB....and, the player that is probably the slowest is going to end up with the ball.

I think Nebraska took that attitude some what in our game. If Northwestern runs a lot of zone read, I'm fine using that theory again.

 

[cm husker]

Has anyone else noticed how often we seem to get burned for chunks of yards on this play? If my gold fish memory serves me, Minnesota got some big yardage on this last year and most recently Oregon. Is this on the undisciplined play from the DE or is there something else I am missing here? (Real question) I believe we are going to see a lot of this from Northwestern this week.

It's a very difficult play to defend, which is why it or something similar is a major component of the most prolific college offenses.

As a defense, if you don't move a guy out of coverage, out of coverage (usually with RB responsibility and give your DE/DT QB responsibility) you are going to have a tough time stopping it, unless you have guys who are just dominating the blocker across from them and making plays that they technically shouldn't make. That's what makes it so effective in setting up the RPO and play action out of that look.

 

[admo]

We're not going to be perfect. It's difficult but not impossible. So as long we don't drop into cover 8..... I think we'll be alright most of the time.

Their little RB is a breakaway threat though.

 

[alwayshusking]

Held Minnesota in check on the QB run last year but they did kill us with it in 2014.

I don't think they thought Prukop would keep it as much as he did, he was a better runner than expected imo. Oregon's offense is well conceived, they give you so much to defend.

 

[swmohusker]

Zone read that oregon hurt us on was when they would know we were crashing the DE to RB and whipping Bando to play QB and lock the tackle onto bando. They also would load the TE that is lined up as a wing and bypass the end and block the backside LB that has the QB. Both those looks the qb gets a pull read from the DE but the offense knows they are going to get a pull read and they block the QB player on the defense

 

[Scratchtown]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

 

[BIG ERN]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

I am speaking of a different play. Bando's complete whiff of a tackle was on the 4th and 1 play from NU's 42. That was Oregon's 4th TD. Bando should have made the tackle for a 3 yard gain, but the RB went right through him.

The play I am referencing was Oregon's 3rd TD to make the score 20-7. I could be way off but I didn't understand why Bando was lining up on the boundary side of the center, giving up the wide field. To me, if he was lined up on the wide side of the center, he would have been in position to make the play.

 

[BIG ERN]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

I am speaking of a different play. Bando's complete whiff of a tackle was on the 4th and 1 play from NU's 42. That was Oregon's 4th TD. Bando should have made the tackle for a 3 yard gain, but the RB went right through him.

The play I am referencing was Oregon's 3rd TD to make the score 20-7. I could be way off but I didn't understand why Bando was lining up on the boundary side of the center, giving up the wide field. To me, if he was lined up on the wide side of the center, he would have been in position to make the play.

Just watched the play you are speaking of. I am not sure why we were over playing the short side of the field. Bando got a little sucked up, but Kieron also made a bad read on the play.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

I am speaking of a different play. Bando's complete whiff of a tackle was on the 4th and 1 play from NU's 42. That was Oregon's 4th TD. Bando should have made the tackle for a 3 yard gain, but the RB went right through him.

The play I am referencing was Oregon's 3rd TD to make the score 20-7. I could be way off but I didn't understand why Bando was lining up on the boundary side of the center, giving up the wide field. To me, if he was lined up on the wide side of the center, he would have been in position to make the play.

Just watched the play you are speaking of. I am not sure why we were over playing the short side of the field. Bando got a little sucked up, but Kieron also made a bad read on the play.

Yeah, I am not sure what Kieron is reading on that play. It appears he has outside responsibility. Bando can't let the center (who is pulling on the play) get him stuck on the inside.

Maybe I am way off on the alignment issue, because the back is lined up on the boundary side of the field. Banker did say after the game that the D came into the game doing heavy preparation on the inside zone, so maybe Bando is guessing this play is going to be an inside zone read to the boundary. This play is an outside zone play to the wide side, and the D is a complete bust, as NU doesn't have enough defenders on the wide side.

 

[Cdog923]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

I am speaking of a different play. Bando's complete whiff of a tackle was on the 4th and 1 play from NU's 42. That was Oregon's 4th TD. Bando should have made the tackle for a 3 yard gain, but the RB went right through him.

The play I am referencing was Oregon's 3rd TD to make the score 20-7. I could be way off but I didn't understand why Bando was lining up on the boundary side of the center, giving up the wide field. To me, if he was lined up on the wide side of the center, he would have been in position to make the play.

Just watched the play you are speaking of. I am not sure why we were over playing the short side of the field. Bando got a little sucked up, but Kieron also made a bad read on the play.

Yeah, I am not sure what Kieron is reading on that play. It appears he has outside responsibility. Bando can't let the center (who is pulling on the play) get him stuck on the inside.

Maybe I am way off on the alignment issue, because the back is lined up on the boundary side of the field. Banker did say after the game that the D came into the game doing heavy preparation on the inside zone, so maybe Bando is guessing this play is going to be an inside zone read to the boundary. This play is an outside zone play to the wide side, and the D is a complete bust, as NU doesn't have enough defenders on the wide side.

The only way Kieron's read on that play makes sense is if he's got outside contain. His angle makes absolutely no sense. He should be filling that hole immediately upon reading run. Instead, he's running right towards the slot receiver that is already engaged by AWill. There isn't even anyone in motion towards the outside that he would be responsible for.

In terms of alignment, we're in a Nickel against 4 wides. Bando is lined up A gap on the boundary side, with Young in C gap on the slot receiver. We have comparable numbers on the boundary side; it's just a misplay by Bando. He takes an angle to the center's inside shoulder instead of taking outside lever; it's almost like he's expecting help from the secondary towards the outside.

 

[Cdog923]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEVJKnDs1DM?t=53m15s

The play in question.

 

[ColoradoHusk]

Oregon's zone read isn't just about reading the DE. Sometimes it's reading an LB to see if he's the one undisciplined and leaving his spot at the second level.

I would have to look at the NU game again to see which ones hurt NU the most but I will save that for a later day.

Also, is this the slowest week ever or what?

On Oregon's first TD, NU had 2 LB's stacked on the left side of the defense and Oregon ran to NU's right. Obviously, one of the LB's was out of position. Oregon does that to teams with their tempo.

On Oregon's 3rd TD (50 yard run after NU turnover) Banderas was lined up as MLB, but he appeared to be lined up over the right guard. Where he lined up, he was giving the offense way too much room on the wide side of the field. Sure enough, Oregon ran an outside zone to the wide side of the field and Banderas got caught inside and was easily blocked by the Oregon lineman. The Oregon RB was off to the races after that.

Unless you are speaking on a different play I remember Bando in good position, but completely missed the tackle. I thought Freedom set the edge well on these plays but some people didn't fill correctly.

I am speaking of a different play. Bando's complete whiff of a tackle was on the 4th and 1 play from NU's 42. That was Oregon's 4th TD. Bando should have made the tackle for a 3 yard gain, but the RB went right through him.

The play I am referencing was Oregon's 3rd TD to make the score 20-7. I could be way off but I didn't understand why Bando was lining up on the boundary side of the center, giving up the wide field. To me, if he was lined up on the wide side of the center, he would have been in position to make the play.

Just watched the play you are speaking of. I am not sure why we were over playing the short side of the field. Bando got a little sucked up, but Kieron also made a bad read on the play.

Yeah, I am not sure what Kieron is reading on that play. It appears he has outside responsibility. Bando can't let the center (who is pulling on the play) get him stuck on the inside.

Maybe I am way off on the alignment issue, because the back is lined up on the boundary side of the field. Banker did say after the game that the D came into the game doing heavy preparation on the inside zone, so maybe Bando is guessing this play is going to be an inside zone read to the boundary. This play is an outside zone play to the wide side, and the D is a complete bust, as NU doesn't have enough defenders on the wide side.

The only way Kieron's read on that play makes sense is if he's got outside contain. His angle makes absolutely no sense. He should be filling that hole immediately upon reading run. Instead, he's running right towards the slot receiver that is already engaged by AWill. There isn't even anyone in motion towards the outside that he would be responsible for.

In terms of alignment, we're in a Nickel against 4 wides. Bando is lined up A gap on the boundary side, with Young in C gap on the slot receiver. We have comparable numbers on the boundary side; it's just a misplay by Bando. He takes an angle to the center's inside shoulder instead of taking outside lever; it's almost like he's expecting help from the secondary towards the outside.

I am not a football coach, but it just seems odd to me that Bando is lined up on the A gap on the boundary side? Why not line up in the A-gap on the field (wide) side? By the alignment on the field, there is a HUGE gap created between Bando and Aaron Williams. Also, Aaron Williams and Kieron Willams go the the outside of the slot receiver. I know Aaron is playing coverage on his man, so it looks like Kieron is expecting Bando to get to the inside gap and flush the RB outside.

Again, I have no idea what the defense was called, and how they were supposed to line up. It's a complete bust all around.