Something I heard on 1620 this week...

[flatwaterfan]

The guy redshirted this year. If he leaves he loses a year. They are working him with the regular offense instead of the scout team so they are prepping him for play next year. Carnes moved to WR. RK3 will be a SR. I sincerely believe they will try and get Armstrong in games next year to season him so they aren't starting out the following year with a green QB. I believe that they would sit Tmart down if he is playing bad and it came to that.

I think the radio is just filling time. That's their job.

 

[T_O_Bull]

So I forget if it was Damon Benning or Greg Sharpe who said it, but they threw out an interesting theory that I kinda wanna know how you guys weigh in on it.

Tommie Armstrong, big arm QB from Cibolo. I've watched the vids, the guy has the arm and seems like the experience to run our offense and according to everyone on the team, he gets better and better every week.

Anyhow, on 1620 this week Damon or Greg (forget who said it) said something to the effect of "Taylor Martinez will start at QB in 2013, but if he shows signs of struggle again, and Tommie A doesn't get a shot...Tommie will not be at NU the following year." When I heard this, I panicked. I kept thinking how bad it would be to lose a great talent like that. It's been bugging a ton this week. It's not that I don't respect Taylor, in fact, he's been our guy when we had no one to hang our hat on and has shown so much heart all 3 years he's started...but when we have a complete QB like Tommie (and possibly another one coming in Johnny Stanton) I just hope that, next year during the spring there actually is a competition for the starting spot. I would hate to see good player go on to bigger better things elsewhere because they aren't getting a shot.

Your thoughts?

Moving on worked out real well for Harrison Beck.

T_O_B

:bigredn:

 

[lo country]

So I forget if it was Damon Benning or Greg Sharpe who said it, but they threw out an interesting theory that I kinda wanna know how you guys weigh in on it.

Tommie Armstrong, big arm QB from Cibolo. I've watched the vids, the guy has the arm and seems like the experience to run our offense and according to everyone on the team, he gets better and better every week.

Anyhow, on 1620 this week Damon or Greg (forget who said it) said something to the effect of "Taylor Martinez will start at QB in 2013, but if he shows signs of struggle again, and Tommie A doesn't get a shot...Tommie will not be at NU the following year." When I heard this, I panicked. I kept thinking how bad it would be to lose a great talent like that. It's been bugging a ton this week. It's not that I don't respect Taylor, in fact, he's been our guy when we had no one to hang our hat on and has shown so much heart all 3 years he's started...but when we have a complete QB like Tommie (and possibly another one coming in Johnny Stanton) I just hope that, next year during the spring there actually is a competition for the starting spot. I would hate to see good player go on to bigger better things elsewhere because they aren't getting a shot.

Your thoughts?

Moving on worked out real well for Harrison Beck.

T_O_B

:bigredn:

and Joe Dailey and Gabbert's little brother............

 

[zoogs]

Martinez has completed 67% of his passes.

He's 13th in the nation in Pass Efficiency.

He's 39th in the nation in Total Offense.

He's 14th in the country in Points Responsible For.

Why would you take this guy off the field? For kicks and giggles?

Mr. Stinson, in order to use the zone read more frequently. We both know Taylor is not the kind of player to take over a game with the ball in his hands, or post up throw after throw after throw if the team needs him to. Taylor gives us a lot of things, but he doesn't give us an offense that can run the zone read as a bread-and-butter play all day long.

We both also know that our offense has fallen off the face of the earth at times this year. We need that go-to play that we've seen Rex run before, and run very well. I don't see a downside here.

 

[knapplc]

1) Why do we need to run the zone read? Our Bread-and-Butter play is the toss sweep, and has been for two years.

II) We have yet to have a game with fewer than 400 yards of offense; we have had 500 or more yards in half our games. When has our offense "fallen off the face of the earth" this year?

C) Taylor is #39 in the nation in Total Offense. He's not higher on that list because of Rex Burkhead, Ameer Abdullah, Kenny Bell, etc. With the ball in Taylor's hands, he can (and has) taken over a game. I don't think we both know this.

I get that the backup is the hero, and Armstrong appears to be legit. But I'm still not seeing a convincing downside with having Taylor in the game, nor am I seeing anything other than pure speculation that getting someone else in there is going to make our offense better.

And the coup de grace to this whole argument is, if the defense has any kind of spine, we're not having this conversation. But they don't, and we've lost two games, and suddenly all anyone can think to do is call for a change at QB. We don't need to change our QB. Our QB is more than fine. We need a defense.

 

[HuskerfaninOkieland]

The most popular player on any team is always the backup QB

 

[zoogs]

The toss sweep is a nice play, but what's the harm in the zone read, which we've seen Rex run very effectively? In an offense that has consistency issues, why is this a bad thing?

Taylor's stats may be buffeted still by the obscene numbers put up against Southern Miss and great showings against Idaho State and Arkansas State. Against Wisconsin he was solid good. Against UCLA he was ineffective. Just look at the entire second half to see an offense that routinely barely possessed the ball before punting it back. Against Ohio State he was really ineffective.

Our offense has been extremely mistake-prone this year. Taylor has always been sometimes hot, sometimes cold. Bringing in the wildcat can settle the offense down and help with that. On top of giving another thing for the defense to worry about. It isn't even a threat to his job. I'm just talking about re-installing the wildcat package we have had considerable success with when used, and leveraging that strength into our attack.

Why keep it under wraps?

Still don't understand why every discussion of Taylor spins off into defense. I get it, defense has problems. They're worth talking about. There are threads for that, I'm sure..

 

[MLB 51]

That toss sweep to the left doesn't seem as effective as the one to the right. Rex has made some very good runs out of the zone read though.

 

[knapplc]

How do you know that bringing in Rex to run the Wildcat will calm our offense down? Why is this suddenly a rock-solid play that we can count on when the chips are down? Rex fumbled a snap against Ohio State at the goal-line. How is this a sure thing?

Taylor's total offense, by game:

Opponent - Rushing/Passing (Total)

Southern Miss - 10/354 (364)

UCLA - 112/179 (291)

Arkansas State - 54/180 (234)

Idaho State - 15/165 (180)

Wisconsin - 107/181 (288)

Ohio State - 40/214 (254)

Show me again where Taylor has fallen apart?

The reason every Taylor thread spins into a defensive discussion is that TAYLOR IS NOT THE PROBLEM. He's maybe the best player we have on this team. Without Martinez we don't beat Wisconsin, pure and simple. Meanwhile, the defense is beyond horrible. It's no wonder people get tired of hearing about tinkering with the QB position. We have one of the best QBs in this conference, and perhaps the worst defense, and yet, despite your surety that there are "threads for that" discussion.... there aren't.

 

[Saunders]

Again, why are we discussing the wildcat? It's dead. It's a one dimensional gimmick that was created so teams with statues at QB can use the ZR for short yardage misdirection plays.

 

[NebraskaHarry]

So let me get this straight.. A guy on a radio talk show made a comment that has no factual evidence claiming that if Armstrong doesn't get the QB job next year if Martinez struggles at any point that Armstrong is going to transfer.

Well that's gotta be true.

 

[HuskerShark]

Again, why are we discussing the wildcat? It's dead. It's a one dimensional gimmick that was created so teams with statues at QB can use the ZR for short yardage misdirection plays.

I like the wildcat. We run it on pretty much every play because Taylor is such a running threat, but I wouldn't mind seeing Rex in a power wildcat formation at some point when we NEED a first down or touchdown.

Wildcat is a numbers game is all.

 

[Saunders]

Again, why are we discussing the wildcat? It's dead. It's a one dimensional gimmick that was created so teams with statues at QB can use the ZR for short yardage misdirection plays.

I like the wildcat. We run it on pretty much every play because Taylor is such a running threat, but I wouldn't mind seeing Rex in a power wildcat formation at some point when we NEED a first down or touchdown.

Wildcat is a numbers game is all.

No, that's the zone read.

The wildcat is having the RB take the snap to run a misdirection play (generally a sweep or ZR), and normally moving your QB to wide receiver, or out of the game.

 

[zoogs]

Dead in the NFL, maybe, along with a lot of other things.

Taylor isn't a statue, sure, but what he also isn't is a guy who runs the zone read expertly. If he were, man how much could we take advantage of the creases that might give him. I think it would be a suitable supplement to the offense.

 

[Saunders]

Dead in the NFL, maybe, along with a lot of other things.

Taylor isn't a statue, sure, but what he also isn't is a guy who runs the zone read expertly. If he were, man how much could we take advantage of the creases that might give him. I think it would be a suitable supplement to the offense.

KSU disagrees.