Shatel: Taylor Martinez hoping to save best for last
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TonyStalloni
All-Conference
Sadly that is probably true. Baseball is the only sport that seems to place players with great stats in the "great" category. All other sports require a championship in the resume to be considered great.
Warrior10
All-American
RedRedJarvisRedwine
All-American
I don't know about all that. Dan Marino is considered great. But in regards to Taylor, I consider him to be a great player who had the misfortune of playing here during a rebuilding process. Husker fans consider Gill, Frazier, Frost and Crouch great QBs and everyone else a step below. I'd challenge anyone to argue that Taylor wouldn't have won titles if he had the reigns to the teams those other QBs had. I also don't see any of the other great Husker QBs doing a whole lot better if they were in charge of Taylor's husker squads. Barring a terrible team season caused by his doing, I have TM as an all time great husker QB.
knapplc
International Man of Mystery
I'm talking about - and I think Tony is agreeing with me - about Taylor's public perception. Personally I agree wholeheartedly with you. Taylor will walk out of here with every major offensive record in our books, and he's done it in a rebuilding phase of our history, under a first-time head coach experiencing growing pains. That's a tremendous accomplishment for a guy who's overcome the obstacles he's overcome. He's a top-five Husker QB in my book right now.
The reality is that Taylor is going to be judged by the fact that he hasn't won anything of note. He'll be judged by his turnovers. He'll be judged by his public demeanor. We know this to be true because it's been happening the last 3.5 years. If he doesn't win a title of some kind and/or doesn't win a major award, that's how he'll be remembered by a lot of people, mitigating circumstances or not.
RedRedJarvisRedwine
All-American
Yeah I understand that he will be judged/remembered by his shortcomings. But the burden of those shortcomings shouldn't be shouldered by Taylor alone. And history should be lenient when factoring in the circumstance to which too many of those turnovers happened. Too often they were a result of a porous Oline causing TM to try and turn nothing into something. All the drops in 2011. The change in OCs between his frosh and soph years. The defensive struggles which only magnified the turnovers cause of the limited room for error. If your D can't stop anyone then you better score every possession. As far as his demeanor, it doesn't veer too far from the example set by his HC. I love that Bo has stood by TM. I think they're very similar people. And I think TM has developed a thicker skin cause of Bo. If he had a different HC personality wise, Taylor may have crumbled. Lets hope we can win a title this year so we Taylor fans can put to rest any doubt about his place in Husker lore.
Nobody
Starter
Listen.... i like Taylor. He's top five husker qb's of all time. One of the best qb's to play CFB really. The numbers he has put up on the ground and in the air will be shining for a long time... he might be king of that mountain when it's all said and done. But I think you're going overboard to say that he would definitely win titles in the 90's. There's more to winning titles than completing passes and rushing yards. Would he win titles in the 90's? "Quite possible" is the best that I can do on that one as of today. The teams that we put on the field in the 90's were tip top all the way down the line at essentially every position. I get it. But those qb's in the 90's had a different element to them. They were put through the wringer as far as consistency standards and game management. Taylor is turning into a beast of the same gene but it's still a work in progress as of right now. People are quick to forget the journey Taylor has had... It's kind of been a long road. Hell, Tommie took the reigns in the National Championship as a true freshman and handled it admirabley. You can't say the same for Taylor... not even close. He's got some comeback pins on his jacket, no doubt... games that he willed wins. Martinez's story isn't finished.. his legacy is not yet clear. But it's not fair to the stable of legendary champion quarterbacks that we keep to say that Taylor would do what they did. He could do what they did, but it's not clear that he would do what they did. Not yet. One could even argue that Taylors flaws would be magnified if he were leading the teams of the 90's. He has 47 fumbles in 38 games. Cant say we recover the same amount if he puts em on the ground in the 90s like that.
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SuperBigFan69
Head Coach
Ummm, you know that YOU decide how you judge him, right? You get to pick that.
I will judge the guy as a very tough, hard worker, amazing highlight machine with some amazing talent to make huge plays and fumble but still recover most of them, somehow.
I will judge the guy as a very tough, hard worker, amazing highlight machine with some amazing talent to make huge plays and fumble but still recover most of them, somehow.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
Unfortunately, the QB position is more about wins and losses, rather than stats. When people look at RB's and WR's, they just think about all the yards and TD's they score.
Martinez has been counted on as the "big play" guy for his entire career. He hasn't had the home run threat at RB (think LP, Ahman Green, etc.) Burkhead was a great back, but he typically wasn't a guy who could break one at any moment. TMart was the guy who could break the 70-80 yard run.
Another thing to think about is the OC's who has worked with him. Watson didn't know what to do with Taylor. He was trying to coming up with a QB run game, while maintaining WCO passing principles. Beck was a first year OC when TMart was a sophomore. Last year, we saw some amazing things from TMart and Beck. I look forward to see what the O will be like this year.
Martinez has been counted on as the "big play" guy for his entire career. He hasn't had the home run threat at RB (think LP, Ahman Green, etc.) Burkhead was a great back, but he typically wasn't a guy who could break one at any moment. TMart was the guy who could break the 70-80 yard run.
Another thing to think about is the OC's who has worked with him. Watson didn't know what to do with Taylor. He was trying to coming up with a QB run game, while maintaining WCO passing principles. Beck was a first year OC when TMart was a sophomore. Last year, we saw some amazing things from TMart and Beck. I look forward to see what the O will be like this year.
In the Deed the Glory
All-Conference
"This is the best I've felt since my freshmen year."
"This could be one of the best offensive lines in Nebraska history."
That is music to my ears.
"This could be one of the best offensive lines in Nebraska history."
That is music to my ears.
ColoradoHusk
Heisman Trophy Winner
I am not saying you are ripping Martinez here, but the I am sure TMart haters will be quick to say "He needs to be educated on the great lines in the history of NU."
