Paradoxical Seasons

[EZ-E]

1) Colt McCoy came to UT as a pocket passer and only developed into a decent running QB his junior/Senior year. Telling us he ran for 500 yards two years isn't much. That's less than 60 a game.

2) Will give you RG3.

3) You can't be serious comparing Klein to Miller. Miller is by far and away the more explosive QB

Here's my list

1) Russell Wilson (no explanation needed)

2) Dennard Robinson

3) Braxton Miller

You proved MR A's point by giving stats. The last two on my list were spread-option QBs. You can't possibly say that McCoy was a better runner than either of them. In the Big 12 QBs were dropping back and throwing 40-50 times a game. Not the case with these three I listed. That was Mr. A's point.

his point was that the Big12 had no dual threat qb's. . Mccoy could run but as his line became better he didn't have to run as much. I gave stats to prove that all 3 were about the same give or take. Vince Young playing 3 seasons only had 500 more rushing yards per season than Mccoy and played in a passing oriented offense, would you say Young can't run?

just for kicks both Texas and Baylor run spread passing offense.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

That's the thing. He just admitted in this post that Mr A and I are right and he's arguing a different point here. I believe around a page ago I said that The Big 12 run spread passing offenses and tOSU, MU, and Northwestern are more Spread Option offenses. Big difference.

and then i showed you with a first passing offense they can put up similar numbers and if you want to ignore the stats that's on you.

Which offense is pass first out of the three teams we are talking about????

 

[walksalone]

asking a question.

No, he kinda fits the McCoy mold...

 

[husker_99]

1) Colt McCoy came to UT as a pocket passer and only developed into a decent running QB his junior/Senior year. Telling us he ran for 500 yards two years isn't much. That's less than 60 a game.

2) Will give you RG3.

3) You can't be serious comparing Klein to Miller. Miller is by far and away the more explosive QB

Here's my list

1) Russell Wilson (no explanation needed)

2) Dennard Robinson

3) Braxton Miller

You proved MR A's point by giving stats. The last two on my list were spread-option QBs. You can't possibly say that McCoy was a better runner than either of them. In the Big 12 QBs were dropping back and throwing 40-50 times a game. Not the case with these three I listed. That was Mr. A's point.

his point was that the Big12 had no dual threat qb's. . Mccoy could run but as his line became better he didn't have to run as much. I gave stats to prove that all 3 were about the same give or take. Vince Young playing 3 seasons only had 500 more rushing yards per season than Mccoy and played in a passing oriented offense, would you say Young can't run?

just for kicks both Texas and Baylor run spread passing offense.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

is Russell Wilson a dual threat qb?

Yes!

how? he never even gained 500 yards rushing? Mccoy accomplished this twice. which means Mccoy was a runner more than Wilson was. hence dual threat.

 

[MLB 51]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

You keep f'ing up your own argument.

 

[husker_99]

how? he never even gained 500 yards rushing? Mccoy accomplished this twice. which means Mccoy was a runner more than Wilson was. hence dual threat.

be careful not to step in the bullsh*t

so stats are bullsh#t? you wanna say Wilson is a dual threat but he hardly runs.

 

[Branno]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

You ignore reality by worshipping stats. Lets say in some alternate reality Bo hired a pro style OC instead of Beck 2 years ago. This OC developed Martinez into a drop back passer that couldusehis feet to scramble on occasion.

Instead of rushing for 1000 yards he only rushed for 400 but doubled his passing yards.

Stats would say he isn't a dual threat QB. Reality and common sense though would slap you on the face with your ineptitude.

 

[MLB 51]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

You ignore reality by worshipping stats. Lets say in some alternate reality Bo hired a pro style OC instead of Beck 2 years ago. This OC developed Martinez into a drop back passer that couldusehis feet to scramble on occasion.

Instead of rushing for 1000 yards he only rushed for 400 but doubled his passing yards.

Stats would say he isn't a dual threat QB. Reality and common sense though would slap you on the face with your ineptitude.

+1 Thank You.

 

[EZ-E]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

No, it's that at times we don't seem to understand your points. To recap and clarify:

1) Poster said in more or less words that we faced bigger threats at QB to run the ball in The Big Ten than we ever did in the Big 12. He made this point to back another point he made about the conference change being an undersold reason for the stagnation in defensive development.

2) You disagreed and told him he didn't watch anything but Husker games in a very snide way.

3) You brought up stats that weren't all correct in trying to prove what the other poster said was wrong using 1) Colt McCoy 2) Collin Klein and 3) RG3 (who we saw one time his whole career.

4) We tried to explain to you the difference between The Spread Option Offense that was ran by tOSU, MU, and NW being the reason that we said that they were bigger threats to take off and run and get more designed runs drawn up for them. The Big 12 teams run more Spread offenses that are pass first. I personally don't think it is hard to see how Dennard Robinson and Braxton Miller would be bigger threats in the running game and as I stated, more explosive runners (making them bigger threats to run) than Collin Klein and Colt McCoy.

 

[husker_99]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

No, it's that at times we don't seem to understand your points. To recap and clarify:

1) Poster said in more or less words that we faced bigger threats at QB to run the ball in The Big Ten than we ever did in the Big 12. He made this point to back another point he made about the conference change being an undersold reason for the stagnation in defensive development.

2) You disagreed and told him he didn't watch anything but Husker games in a very snide way.

3) You brought up stats that weren't all correct in trying to prove what the other poster said was wrong using 1) Colt McCoy 2) Collin Klein and 3) RG3 (who we saw one time his whole career.

4) We tried to explain to you the difference between The Spread Option Offense that was ran by tOSU, MU, and NW being the reason that we said that they were bigger threats to take off and run and get more designed runs drawn up for them. The Big 12 teams run more Spread offenses that are pass first. I personally don't think it is hard to see how Dennard Robinson and Braxton Miller would be bigger threats in the running game and as I stated, more explosive runners (making them bigger threats to run) than Collin Klein and Colt McCoy.

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

 

[ZRod]

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

Seriously? He listed some of the top big play QBs in the run game and you think he wasn't talking about explosiveness?

 

[walksalone]

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

Do you want charts and graphs??

 

[husker_99]

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

Do you want charts and graphs??

your opinion isn't fact.

 

[walksalone]

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

Do you want charts and graphs??

your opinion isn't fact.

not opinions, observations

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

McCoy: pretty good arm and could run if needed - not a dual threat QB

Klein: Better at running the ball than throwing it - not a dual threat QB

RG III - could run and throw the ball - a dual threat QB

Do you want charts and graphs??

your opinion isn't fact.

Stats aren't necessarily facts either.

 

[EZ-E]

You won't win this. You know that don't you?

not my fault ya'll like to conveniently ignore stats.

No, it's that at times we don't seem to understand your points. To recap and clarify:

1) Poster said in more or less words that we faced bigger threats at QB to run the ball in The Big Ten than we ever did in the Big 12. He made this point to back another point he made about the conference change being an undersold reason for the stagnation in defensive development.

2) You disagreed and told him he didn't watch anything but Husker games in a very snide way.

3) You brought up stats that weren't all correct in trying to prove what the other poster said was wrong using 1) Colt McCoy 2) Collin Klein and 3) RG3 (who we saw one time his whole career.

4) We tried to explain to you the difference between The Spread Option Offense that was ran by tOSU, MU, and NW being the reason that we said that they were bigger threats to take off and run and get more designed runs drawn up for them. The Big 12 teams run more Spread offenses that are pass first. I personally don't think it is hard to see how Dennard Robinson and Braxton Miller would be bigger threats in the running game and as I stated, more explosive runners (making them bigger threats to run) than Collin Klein and Colt McCoy.

first of all you did none of this. The original argument was that we didn't face running qb's in the Big 12 like we do in the Big Ten like(Kain Colter, Braxton Miller, Denard Robisnon). get it right. Then i listed 3 qb's that did run as much as the qb's we faced now which i backed up with stats. Yes i know what a spread option offense is and i don't care and was not apart of the argument. that was you that injected it into the discussion. I was never talking about explosiveness and neither was the poster. You want to know why those 3 qb's in the Big 12 didn't run all over us because we had an awesome defense when we played them.

Alright stats boy:

I will break down the rushing attempts, YPC, and total yards based on Sports-Reference.com from each QB we are talking about in the years we played them:

Klein in 2011

317 attempts, 1100 yards at 3.47 per carry

McCoy in 2011

129 attempts, 348 yards at 2.7 YPC

RG3 we saw in Bo's first season as HC. I'm not going to even include him.

Colter

2011) 135 attempts - 654 yards at 4.84 YPC

2012) 170 attempts - 894 yards at 5.25 YPC

Miller

2011) 159 attempts - 715 yards at 4.49 YPC

2012) 227 attempts - 1271 yards at 5.6 YPC

Robinson

2011) 221 attempts - 1176 yards at 5.32 YPC

2012) 177 attempts - 1266 yards at 7.15 YPC

As you see from the data above, the QBs that we have faced twice in two years have all averaged more per carry than both of the QBS you named and all three had more attempts than one of the QBs you named. By these numbers, I am going to conclude that as a whole, The Big Ten Spread Option QBs in the conversation are better runners and more explosive runners. They also get to carry the football a lot more than we saw QBs do in the Big 12.