Just wasn't sure where to put this (re: Bo's desire to be here)

[Count 'Bility]

I guess I'm of the perspective that i dont really understand the angst of this job searching stuff. We have to remember that this is a job. A career. First and foremost. The days of good old Tom Osborne the good little Nebraska kid whom we never had to worry about ever wanting to leave (1978 dispells that anyway) are done. College Football is big business. It's these coaches jobs. Bo's searching around because he's trying to advance his career. Now, if he starts to improve and the program begins to head in a drastically positive direction, and job offers come in for Bo, we're gonna have to penny up the dough it we want to keep him, or tell him good-bye. Anyone like to clarify to me what this is any different than any other job situation in the history of the free world?

Lastly, he may have wanted to leave at those times, but how does that equate to how he feels now? maybe he changed his attitude and decided to give it a full go here. Again, even Osborne wanted out, to Colorado of all places, at one time.

Per usual, I'm the opitimistic Bo-backer here that says "nothing to see here folks".

That's my take guys. Fire away.

Edit add: Tom Osborne considered taking the Michigan St head coach job before he was named AD. Cant remember how long before, but it was offered to him. Yes, our almighty hero almost came out of retirement to coach someone else. Why? It's a business people. The sooner everyone gets a grasp on that, the happier you'll all be.

So you are saying Nebraska isn't a destination but a stepping stone? Might want to back up your claim other than what you heard about TO taking the Michigan St HC job.

Well lets see here. 4 coaches prior to Bo in the last 50 years bud. 2 were fired. 2 retired here. 2 were hired/promoted from within. One was a total anomoly that would lay under the guillotine for this program, university, state. You wanna back up YOUR claim that it IS a destination job and NOT a stepping stone? Might wanna gain a little perspective of what we're actually talking about here before you attack my point.

that's not how it works. I didn't make a claim just asked a question. on top of that drivel you didn't even answer the question.

Ok. I'll answer your question. Yes, it's a stepping stone. Why? EVERY JOB IN THE WORLD IS A STEPPING STONE. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER.

Nick Saban left an established LSU program on cruise control for the Miami Dolphin dumpster fire.

 

[Count 'Bility]

As far as the Tom Osborne/Michigan St deal goes, that was a pretty in-depth story told by the Husker Sports Network football pregame show prior to the Michigan St 2011 game. I was on the interstate listening to it. That's all I really recall of it. They said he was actually really close to taking the job. There was also an offer for the Seahawks I believe at one time that he though about a few years prior to that. Now obviously he didnt take them jobs, so it's kind of a moot point pertaining to this disucssion, but he thought about it.

 

[husker_99]

I guess I'm of the perspective that i dont really understand the angst of this job searching stuff. We have to remember that this is a job. A career. First and foremost. The days of good old Tom Osborne the good little Nebraska kid whom we never had to worry about ever wanting to leave (1978 dispells that anyway) are done. College Football is big business. It's these coaches jobs. Bo's searching around because he's trying to advance his career. Now, if he starts to improve and the program begins to head in a drastically positive direction, and job offers come in for Bo, we're gonna have to penny up the dough it we want to keep him, or tell him good-bye. Anyone like to clarify to me what this is any different than any other job situation in the history of the free world?

Lastly, he may have wanted to leave at those times, but how does that equate to how he feels now? maybe he changed his attitude and decided to give it a full go here. Again, even Osborne wanted out, to Colorado of all places, at one time.

Per usual, I'm the opitimistic Bo-backer here that says "nothing to see here folks".

That's my take guys. Fire away.

Edit add: Tom Osborne considered taking the Michigan St head coach job before he was named AD. Cant remember how long before, but it was offered to him. Yes, our almighty hero almost came out of retirement to coach someone else. Why? It's a business people. The sooner everyone gets a grasp on that, the happier you'll all be.

So you are saying Nebraska isn't a destination but a stepping stone? Might want to back up your claim other than what you heard about TO taking the Michigan St HC job.

Well lets see here. 4 coaches prior to Bo in the last 50 years bud. 2 were fired. 2 retired here. 2 were hired/promoted from within. One was a total anomoly that would lay under the guillotine for this program, university, state. You wanna back up YOUR claim that it IS a destination job and NOT a stepping stone? Might wanna gain a little perspective of what we're actually talking about here before you attack my point.

that's not how it works. I didn't make a claim just asked a question. on top of that drivel you didn't even answer the question.

Ok. I'll answer your question. Yes, it's a stepping stone. Why? EVERY JOB IN THE WORLD IS A STEPPING STONE. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER.

Nick Saban left an established LSU program on cruise control for the Miami Dolphin dumpster fire.

going from college to the NFL is a step up no matter what team. No, not every job is a stepping stone. there are destination spots for some people. some people value a good job they enjoy versus a job that pays more but they don't enjoy.

 

[Keith.Wassung]

I continued to hear that Nebraska has "high expectations" or at least higher expectations that most places....I could not disagree less. We have the same expectations that any other top program has ( and yes we are still at top program, just not fielding one of the best "teams" right now. The expectations is that when you take our facilities, our tradition, our money, our fan base then you expect to be competitive---not necessarily a national champion or even conference champion each year--I think we are very patient about this. But when we play games against teams that are similar, have similar records, in other words "good" teams, but not "great" teams and we get the living sh#t stomped out of us in an embarrassing way--then we have every right to question the motives and decisions of the highest paid state employee. We aint getting blown out by the Bama's of the world, but by far, far less and even more frustrating is that the same mistakes and same mentality are part of an on-going pattern.

 

[NUinID]

As far as the Tom Osborne/Michigan St deal goes, that was a pretty in-depth story told by the Husker Sports Network football pregame show prior to the Michigan St 2011 game. I was on the interstate listening to it. That's all I really recall of it. They said he was actually really close to taking the job. There was also an offer for the Seahawks I believe at one time that he though about a few years prior to that. Now obviously he didnt take them jobs, so it's kind of a moot point pertaining to this disucssion, but he thought about it.

I am fairly sure he was offered the Houston or SMU job about 2-3 years after he retired.

I agree every job is a stepping stone job until you find a place that you really don't want to leave. Alabama was not a destination job for about 20 years because you were always in Bear Bryant's shadow. The next guy at Alabama will be in Sabin's shadow.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Texas offered him 10 mil a year after this season and I wouldn't be surprised if he took it. Sure Alabama would match it, but it would all be about ego and a new challenge of trying to win a NC at three different schools etc.

 

[Count 'Bility]

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So you are saying Nebraska isn't a destination but a stepping stone? Might want to back up your claim other than what you heard about TO taking the Michigan St HC job.

Well lets see here. 4 coaches prior to Bo in the last 50 years bud. 2 were fired. 2 retired here. 2 were hired/promoted from within. One was a total anomoly that would lay under the guillotine for this program, university, state. You wanna back up YOUR claim that it IS a destination job and NOT a stepping stone? Might wanna gain a little perspective of what we're actually talking about here before you attack my point.

that's not how it works. I didn't make a claim just asked a question. on top of that drivel you didn't even answer the question.

Ok. I'll answer your question. Yes, it's a stepping stone. Why? EVERY JOB IN THE WORLD IS A STEPPING STONE. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER.

Nick Saban left an established LSU program on cruise control for the Miami Dolphin dumpster fire.

going from college to the NFL is a step up no matter what team. No, not every job is a stepping stone. there are destination spots for some people. some people value a good job they enjoy versus a job that pays more but they don't enjoy.

it doesnt matter. There will always be something that's a step up. Whether you not one gets to that point is debateable. But there will always be something better.

This whole destination/stepping stone discussion is also in the eyes of the beholder. Maybe Bo doesnt see it as a destination anymore. That's his perogative. Is it something we should run him out of town for? No.

 

[skersfan]

I could care less if he is looking. He is not going to another college program equivalent to this program or above. It is obvious he is looking for an easier way out by the schools he has supposedly talked with. They passed then for a good reason, the reason has only been made worse.

Do the job you were hired to do, the job you promised to do, and be the loyal person you demand your players to be.

Bo is not going anywhere but back to the NFL or an underling on one of the Stoops boys teams. His tenure at a major university as head coach is over. Unless he actually turns us into a winning program (major Wins).

Quit worrying about it. Were stuck with him good or bad.

Just pray we do not give up the ghost this weekend or next weekend.

 

[Stumpy1]

I guess I'm of the perspective that i dont really understand the angst of this job searching stuff. We have to remember that this is a job. A career. First and foremost. The days of good old Tom Osborne the good little Nebraska kid whom we never had to worry about ever wanting to leave (1978 dispells that anyway) are done. College Football is big business. It's these coaches jobs. Bo's searching around because he's trying to advance his career. Now, if he starts to improve and the program begins to head in a drastically positive direction, and job offers come in for Bo, we're gonna have to penny up the dough it we want to keep him, or tell him good-bye. Anyone like to clarify to me what this is any different than any other job situation in the history of the free world?

Lastly, he may have wanted to leave at those times, but how does that equate to how he feels now? maybe he changed his attitude and decided to give it a full go here. Again, even Osborne wanted out, to Colorado of all places, at one time.

Per usual, I'm the opitimistic Bo-backer here that says "nothing to see here folks".

That's my take guys. Fire away.

Edit add: Tom Osborne considered taking the Michigan St head coach job before he was named AD. Cant remember how long before, but it was offered to him. Yes, our almighty hero almost came out of retirement to coach someone else. Why? It's a business people. The sooner everyone gets a grasp on that, the happier you'll all be.

So you are saying Nebraska isn't a destination but a stepping stone? Might want to back up your claim other than what you heard about TO taking the Michigan St HC job.

Its not about being a stepping stone or destination, not anymore. Way to many schools offer big dollars now so really you can go anywhere (Iowa, UL, Tenn, Oregon) and make a fortune. Remember that one 5 year contract or two can set you and your family and their families up for life. You have to look, you are doing yourself no favors if you don't. You don't think Saban would "look" if Texas offered a 10 year contract, guaranteed, worth 70 million dollars?

Alabama would match that in a heart beat. Alabama is superior in everyway to Texas. Saban already has a statue of himself at Alabama. He's playing in the toughest football conference. The Big 12 is a joke now, it's a shadow of it's former self.

You seriously have NO idea what you are saying, do you. Texas could out spend the Gumps 3 to 1 if they wanted too and are not a drop down.

 

[skersfan]

There has been talk of Saben at Texas, Mac upstairs. And Saben would go, he knows he could turn it around, but would he want to. He is selling his lake front home for something like 6 million dollars just because they don't go there much anymore. He is set for life. Does he need the frustration of starting over again. Saben at Texas would end college football as we know it. All that talent fighting to be coached by Saben. Not a pretty thought.

 

[knapplc]

The reason I care is that if Bo's truly wanting out of here, but stays only because he doesn't have anywhere else to go, that hurts this program. Unless he's made of sterner stuff than most people, if he's at a job he doesn't like he's probably not giving it his best effort.

I have no doubt Bo loves the kids in his program, and would do anything for them. That's admirable, and commendable.

What I have to doubt, based on comments (before this tape surfaced), demeanor, behavior and the product on the field, is whether Bo is invested in this program. Or the fans. A coach can run a great ship and still not have buy-in to the institution and fans. I think it's in Bo's nature to run a program the way he's running Nebraska, and that's great. But he clearly doesn't invest personally into the fan base, and when he's demanding that we do that with his program,

It's a two-way street, and I don't believe Bo is seeing it that way. I don't think some of the players see it that way either, judging by comments made by former players in the past few days. There's a disconnect here that I don't know if all sides are seeing.

 

[Stumpy1]

There has been talk of Saben at Texas, Mac upstairs. And Saben would go, he knows he could turn it around, but would he want to. He is selling his lake front home for something like 6 million dollars just because they don't go there much anymore. He is set for life. Does he need the frustration of starting over again. Saben at Texas would end college football as we know it. All that talent fighting to be coached by Saben. Not a pretty thought.

I think he would go just because it would be a challenge for him.

 

[Ric Flair]

If Saban moves on, I think it's to the NFL. He has too big of an ego to allow his failure there to tarnish his resume.

And I agree knappic, loyalty is a two way street.

 

[BigRedBuster]

The reason I care is that if Bo's truly wanting out of here, but stays only because he doesn't have anywhere else to go, that hurts this program. Unless he's made of sterner stuff than most people, if he's at a job he doesn't like he's probably not giving it his best effort.

I have no doubt Bo loves the kids in his program, and would do anything for them. That's admirable, and commendable.

What I have to doubt, based on comments (before this tape surfaced), demeanor, behavior and the product on the field, is whether Bo is invested in this program. Or the fans. A coach can run a great ship and still not have buy-in to the institution and fans. I think it's in Bo's nature to run a program the way he's running Nebraska, and that's great. But he clearly doesn't invest personally into the fan base, and when he's demanding that we do that with his program,

It's a two-way street, and I don't believe Bo is seeing it that way. I don't think some of the players see it that way either, judging by comments made by former players in the past few days. There's a disconnect here that I don't know if all sides are seeing.

Knapplc,

I think you and I are on the same page on this entire issue.

This is the part of it that bothers me the most. When Bo was being considered for the job, I had someone tell me that he would never come back because his wife hated it here. She couldn't get out of Lincoln fast enough the first time. Even though this was someone who usually had good information, I took it as a rumor and basically forgot it till now.

Since then, there have been rumors of him being considered for various jobs that came up. Once again, I usually brushed them off as rumors until something happens.

Now.......with his statements in this recording about leaving and sounding like he wants out of here......Bo, if you don't produce on the field this season, I hope the door hits you hard on the way out.

He obviously doesn't understand that he needs both the media and the fans otherwise he has nothing. He looks at it as we are dang lucky to have him and that is an attitude of someone who really doesn't like where he is at.

 

[robsker]

Why does it matter whether he wants to be here or not? What possible difference does that make.

How well has he performed? The coaching issues (lack of team focus, lack of team intensity, lack of team fundamentals, lack of in-game adjustments, lack of half-time adjustments, the confused D w/ assignment problems, etc.) the hiring issues (hiring inexperienced assistants), the graduation rates that are going in the wrong direction, the PR/character issues (albeit largely earlier rather than later) --- these are the issues.

Whether he wants to be here or not --- well.. that does not change the reality of his performance --- which is modest (at best) and better described as unacceptable. Now... the performance he has put up seems to make him not so marketable --- I agree with those who suggest that Bo would not compete well for positions elsewhere (at least for a HC position at a major program). I'd imagine as a position coach or a coordinator in the NFL or in a college program he might be marketable.

And for those who throw that 'hater" moniker upon anyone who deems Bo's performance as unacceptable is just being naive --- hate has nothing to do with it (or need not have anything to do with it). It is not personal at all... it is just detached assessment of performance. His performance has been, and is currently, unacceptable and he should be replaced at seasons end --- irrespective of whether Bo likes it here or not, likes the fans or not, wants to leave but can't... pursued past jobs or not.

Between now and then... lets root for Bo and the Huskers and hope for the best. No one wishes him ill at all... we just want to see NU start fresh and hope to turn things around.

 

[Landlord]

I could care less if he is looking.

couldn't******** care less.

If Saban moves on, I think it's to the NFL. He has too big of an ego to allow his failure there to tarnish his resume.

And I agree knappic, loyalty is a two way street.

knappLc**********