Sweep Read, Power Read, Jet Read

Hayseed said:
With a strong and talented O-line you can run whatever you want. The Miami line that killed us in the 2001 Champ Game was considered one of the best of all time...were compared to our '94 and '95 lines....they could do whatever they wanted because you couldn't penetrate. Maybe we'll do better now that our line looks better, but judging by how we did against UCLA I think the jury is still out. You can say the same things about any running game but I think the zone read is more vulnerable because of where it starts and the time it takes to develop when compared to the quick hitting power runs where the D has to be in the right place or they're in the secondary before you can blink.
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Conceptually true, the landmarks are different for the backs, it takes longer to develop

BUT in Tenopirs materials- the Piplelihe, later in his career, they even zone blocked many of the option plays MT was ahead of his time

 
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Hayseed said:
This is a great thread ,jmfb. The problem with all these plays is that they work well against weak defenses but the good defenses are 3 yards into the backfield creating havoc before the play has a chance to develop. I do like the straight sweep read better than the zone read though. It makes more sense to have blockers pull and go right to work instead of dancing around and it still gives the qb the option of a counter if the D overplays it. Throw in some power runs straight up the middle and the D has a lot to worry about.
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Thank you, but the Oregon guy did a lot of the heavy lifting

Conceptually and techinically the schemes are sound

We get double teams to get movement and then come off with 1 to the LBs, by design we shouldnt have a lot of penetration- usually 5 guys blocking 3 or 4 to start with

Hey Im NOT a zone fan, but it seems to be it for NFL and College FB these days- Ive never coached DI (in college) or NFL guys, they are freaks of nature compared to the average Joe, What they can do and what average humanoids can do are worlds apart

Scheme is important

Tech is important

Athleticism is important

Playcalling is important

As to Stretch with all the dancing reaching linemen- we havent run that really poorly in years- it was a Bill Callahan favorite- Shawn Watson kept it around for the first 2 years- before Pelini told him to SC it. Like you I threw up in my mouth every time I saw the dancing bears- really HATED it and I hate very few things LOL. We run it much better now

 
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jmfb said:
EZ-E said:
Hayseed said:
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Oregon also has a lot of plays go for negative yards. They telegraph each play. We have an adequate OL to be able to run our read plays.
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NM- correct but they also have a number of key breakers they use sparingly
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What I should say is where the RB lines up tells the defense if it's an inside or outside zone read, however, they can still run their bubble and jail breaks from these formations. So the defense has to defend sideline to sideline

 
Interesting stuff guys. I feel a little football smarter but don't foresee joining the film study club anytime soon. It suits me fine to cheer when things go well and b!^@h & moan when they don't. It would be cool to totally understand what I'm watching but fun and entertaining are good enough for me.

 
JJHusker1 said:
Interesting stuff guys. I feel a little football smarter but don't foresee joining the film study club anytime soon. It suits me fine to cheer when things go well and b!^@h & moan when they don't. It would be cool to totally understand what I'm watching but fun and entertaining are good enough for me.
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No worries

The game is pure entertainment for many, nothing wrong with that

Others look at it differently or to fulfill a combination of needs

Some want to know the whys and hows, others want to pretend to know or take envious pot shots at those who do

What is kind of fun is knowing what the play is before it ever gets run, the negative is you have to suffer silently through the lady or flag football guy sitting behind you who are loudly and confidently/smugly saying something that is 1000% factually- technically wrong and others are nodding with them in pooled ignorance agreement. Thats when I feel bad for the coaching staff-

 
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jmfb said:
JJHusker1 said:
Interesting stuff guys. I feel a little football smarter but don't foresee joining the film study club anytime soon. It suits me fine to cheer when things go well and b!^@h & moan when they don't. It would be cool to totally understand what I'm watching but fun and entertaining are good enough for me.
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No worries

The game is pure entertainment for many, nothing wrong with that

Others look at it differently or to fulfill a combination of needs

Some want to know the whys and hows, others want to pretend to know or take envious pot shots at those who do

What is kind of fun is knowing what the play is before it ever gets run, the negative is you have to suffer silently through the lady or flag football guy sitting behind you who are loudly and confidently/smugly saying something that is 1000% factually- technically wrong and others are nodding with them in pooled ignorance agreement. Thats when I feel bad for the coaching staff-
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I haven't watched film as much as you have and don't obviously do it for a living.

BUT, I like diving into much more than the average fan. I haven't been able to do it this year. But, I used to rewatch a game 2-3 times. Many times taking a play and even running it in slow motion. First I would watch the defense. Then, the next time I would watch the offense. I would try to figure out why certain plays worked and why some didn't. I also love diving into the stats.

What I find irritating then is to come to work and have some blow hard act all pissed off at XYZ player or unit because "they suck" when in reality, the guy would have no clue. You try to explain something and it's impossible to do.

A perfect example is that I still have a coworker that will literally claim that our O line is probably the worst in the Big Ten. Meanwhile, we are Nationally:

9th Rushing offense

15th scoring offense

Then, the guy will claim "Yeah...but our pass pro sucks"...well:

11th passing efficiency

1st in sacks allowed (still only allowed 2 all year)

I know we haven't played world beater teams yet but you still don't do that with an O line that is "the worst in the Big Ten".

I love learning more about what our team is doing and trying to do. Keep up the good discussion. It is much more interesting than the constant..."XYZ sucks" conversation.

 
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I had lots of gripes about our O Line last year (one guy in particular), but through five games this year I'm more than comfortable with the guys we have out there.

 
BigRedBuster said:
jmfb said:
JJHusker1 said:
Interesting stuff guys. I feel a little football smarter but don't foresee joining the film study club anytime soon. It suits me fine to cheer when things go well and b!^@h & moan when they don't. It would be cool to totally understand what I'm watching but fun and entertaining are good enough for me.
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No worries

The game is pure entertainment for many, nothing wrong with that

Others look at it differently or to fulfill a combination of needs

Some want to know the whys and hows, others want to pretend to know or take envious pot shots at those who do

What is kind of fun is knowing what the play is before it ever gets run, the negative is you have to suffer silently through the lady or flag football guy sitting behind you who are loudly and confidently/smugly saying something that is 1000% factually- technically wrong and others are nodding with them in pooled ignorance agreement. Thats when I feel bad for the coaching staff-
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What I find irritating then is to come to work and have some blow hard act all pissed off at XYZ player or unit because "they suck" when in reality, the guy would have no clue. You try to explain something and it's impossible to do.
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I feel you

Its why I try to limit my football conversations to the open minded (want to understand guys) or guys that actually know the game

It's also why I wear my big headphone radio to the games- so I dont have to listen to sorority flag football player and "all we have to do" guy spout off their nonsense LOL

Im glad to see 1200 views on the thread and hopefully some better understanding for some

The real test will be to see if anyone at the next home game is yelling for us to bring a Safety down when we see 10 personell- the catch EZE made a couple of weeks ago LOL

 
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Recommend anyone to watch these two videos and listen to the plays being explained. It isn't going to give you the full breakdown on what every player is doing until later tutorials from the same website, but it gives you a ton of perspective. All of these plays should look very familiar.

It is also important to note that OREGON HAS MORE PLAYS GO FOR NEGATIVE YARDAGE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NATION.

 
BigRedBuster said:
I am so glad I'm not a Duck.
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Those two videos are awesome videos to learn what is going on. I really wish more Husker fans would watch them.

Something I found funny. Going back to fans bitching about our O line. Now, I'm not going to pretend our O line didn't need some work over the last few years. But, I contend that it hasn't been as bad as some think. For instance, one b!^@h I hear constantly is how our RBs have to dodge defenders in the back field.

Now, with that in mind, rewatch the second video. Look at how many times in Oregon's offense there are defenders in the back field. The commentator talks about this about the middle of the video.

The blocking schemes are TOTALLY different than what they used to be. When we were running the option in the 80s and 90s, we pushed a defender in the direction WE wanted him to go and because, most of the time, we were bigger, stronger, and more athletic, we could move them where ever we wanted. THEN on top of that, Tom was really good at calling plays that exploited defenders from the LBs back cheating to one area or another.

NOW, the blocking schemes push the Defender in the direction the DEFENDER wants to go....just push him farther than he wanted to go. For someone not paying attention, it appears the O lineman is getting pushed all over the place. Especially when the RB gets to the outside and there is 5 defenders there he is needing to pick his way through.

Another thing I found interesting about these videos is how much it sounds like what we used to say about our offense. You knew it was coming but still couldn't stop it.

 
Good deal- Im starting another thread that relates to this:

Zone blocking

When we powered everyone to death that was also when we were decades ahead of teams when it came to strength and conditioning

We arent- everyone has a Boyd E on staff now

 
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