carlfense
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I think that I've seen far more Republicans making that claim (that Obama was deemed the greatest President ever) than I've seen people actually trying to make the claim.
Nothing riles the right like feeling of victimhood.
Good news for us re: Obamacare/ACA
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Nothing riles the right like feeling of victimhood.
carlfense
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The online enrollment process is off to a really bad start. They've got a few months to work the kinks out . . . but there isn't really an excuse for how poorly the system is working right now.
Some people here have complained about the "journ-o-lister," uber left, etc. Ezra Klein. Here's why I respect his work so much:
http://www.washingto...pm_business_pop
(Is there a conservative media figure who is so candid and intellectually honest? If so . . . tell me! I want to read their work. Seriously.)
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sd'sker
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george will was alright, other than that... william f. buckley? unfortunately, he is now deceased.
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sd'sker
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who would you rather have won it that year?
and, no, i doubt that is the same group tschu was referencing. he was referencing historians, not people who give out awards.
TGHusker
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You can't rate a pres until he is out of office - no historical perspective. Must have been experts at CBS or CNN or some liberal think tank. It is too early to rate GWB and maybe even Clinton. Historical perspective raise Reagan's image. We won't know the affects of ObamaCare - Obama's signature success for several years. My opiinion and $5 can buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks is that Obama and Carter are fighting not to be labeled as the worse pres during the last 50 years.tschu said:
carlfense
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tschu
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Bush II will easily be the worst.
Quite a lot can change of course but if major disaster is averted WRT the debt ceiling and Obamacare is merely a decent success, Obama will be near the top. I mean, of COURSE it's too early to make definitive statements. But Obama has not been OMG HORRIBLE IMPEACH NOW like many people like to scream from their soapboxes
carlfense
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At the very least he will have a strong case. National security failure, foreign policy fiascos, exploding the deficit, economic meltdown, etc.
We'll see. Maybe Iraq and Afghanistan will suddenly turn into those bastions of democracy that we expected when we liberated them. Maybe bringing in less revenue will magically result in bringing in greater revenue. Maybe the WTC will rise from the ashes.
Then again, 4 Americans died in Benghazi.
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tschu
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^^^^ lol, i was linked to that article by another site as well. so good and so ridiculous
I do love how i keep hearing people talk about how high the rates are that they were quoted...without realizing that the premiums you get quoted are always pre-subsidy. Blahhhhh 3 kids on a 70k household income how do i afford that rate...you idiot you aren't gonna pay that rate you're gonna get a real nice subsidy.
The other thing is that people's logic seems to go this route right now:
1. Healthcare.gov malfunctioning
2. Therefore, Obamacare is terrible and broken
instead of
1. Healthcare.gov malfunctioning
2. Fix the website
I do love how i keep hearing people talk about how high the rates are that they were quoted...without realizing that the premiums you get quoted are always pre-subsidy. Blahhhhh 3 kids on a 70k household income how do i afford that rate...you idiot you aren't gonna pay that rate you're gonna get a real nice subsidy.
The other thing is that people's logic seems to go this route right now:
1. Healthcare.gov malfunctioning
2. Therefore, Obamacare is terrible and broken
instead of
1. Healthcare.gov malfunctioning
2. Fix the website